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padfo0t
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crazypenguin
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0.999999999999999(etc.) can be proven to have the same value as the value of 1.

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Started: 1/9/2008 Category: Science
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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padfo0t

Pro

Prove that it is not true.
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(sorry, I had to fill up the 100 spaces)
crazypenguin

Con

It is not true because if we wanted to say 1 we would have said one not .999999999999 and so on.
Also why would some people say that a penny is worth .999999999999999 etc. cents instead of one cent. Therefor .999 can not be the same as 1 otherwise people would say that .

(I will now use .9 instead to make it easier)

Thank You,
Debate Round No. 1
padfo0t

Pro

Here is your response.
Before I prove you wrong, all of the following mathematics have been proven to work EVERY SINGLE TIME, and there are no 'exceptions'.

Let 0.999999999(etc.) = a

10 (0.9999999(etc.)) = 10 (a)

9.99999999(etc.) = 10a

-a from both sides of the equation (or 0.999999999(etc.))

9 = 9a
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1 = a

There you go. Prove me wrong, I dare you!
crazypenguin

Con

If you really want me to prove you I will...

You proved that 1=a which is actually true but in a certain which is when you assign letters to numbers such as 1=a 2=b 3=c all the way until you get to 26=z. So yes you would be right in proving that 1=a but sadly this debate is that 1=.9999999 etc.

Since I have rebutt your point and have made all of mine the con side has won this debate.

Thank you,
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Padfoot36 9 years ago
Padfoot36
What is the flaw Yraelz? I see no flaw, but thank you for voting for me. Please point it out so I won't make the msitake again (:}
Posted by Yraelz 9 years ago
Yraelz
Had to vote for Padfoot on this one. I followed your math and can see the flaw in it but your opponent didn't bother pointing it our or refuting your point at all.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Padfoot, I would dispute your "proof" of 1=a. It relies on the essential premise of your ultimate argument. Thus, it is circular. You cannot say 10 (.9999etc.) =a just because 1=a, until you have established that 1=.9999etc.

Big circle though and nice try :D.
Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
No one reads the whole debate!!!!
Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
In the beggining of my arguement, I said:

Let 0.999999999(etc.) = a

then I PROVED:

1 = a

so if

0.999999999(etc.) = a AND
1 = a

then o.99999999(etc.)= 1
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Raisor, "stating a mathematical fact," as you suppose he is doing (every calculus class you have taken is just ad nauseum, not evidence), is far from a proof. Con is winning because con showed the "proof" Pro offered not to be a proof.
Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
Please read the entire debate instead of voting on your personal beliefs!!!!!!!!
Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
To Rishi,

I actually did prove that one and .999(etc.) COULD BE PROVEN TO HAVE THE SAME VALUE. I am not saying that they are the same.

Thank you raisor.
Posted by Raisor 9 years ago
Raisor
How is Pro losing?

Pro is mathematicaly correct.

Like, Pro literally is just stating a mathematical fact.

Ive seen this proof in every calculus class Ive taken...
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Most suppposed proofs of this are begging the question, by assuming things just as questionable as the conclusion. For example they assume the rationalist ideal of math as a priori, ignoring entirely the absurdity of philosophical a priori.
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