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solo
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Yraelz
Con (against)
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59 Points

1 = 1 (must have 25 characters)

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/16/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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solo

Pro

1 = 1.

"Fancy math" does not change this constant. Any given number equals that same given number.
Yraelz

Con

The only reason I took this debate and felt I could win is because you didn't bother defining one.

Therefor, using dictionary.com I define it myself.

1:
adjective
1. used of a single unit or thing; not two or more; "'ane' is Scottish" [syn: one]

Which leads me to my first point:

1. The number 1 is an adjective. It is used to describe a unit or thing. You cannot see the number one, you can see the symbol we have given to represent 1 but you can't actually see one itself. One is an adjective used to represent how much of something exists. Therefor this resolution must be evaluated in a context. Or with a context it can be evaluated. My opponent offers you an absolute truth in his opinion. 1 = 1. However I contest that this is not always true, sometimes maybe, always never.

Examples that my opponent believes are true:

1 orange = 1 apple
1 pie = 1 cake
1 bad debater = 1 good debater
1 fish = 1 fish
1 man = 1 man (twins maybe.... naa)
1 Jesus = 1 Hitler

As these are obviously not true we can see my opponents point at times does fall.

Second point

2. The resolution doesn't say anything about alternative universes, hypothetical situations, or subjectivity.

In an alternative universes 1 does occasionally does not equal itself. By alternative universes I am talking about video games and books. Also hypothetical situations. Ever get that math problem in school where it said 1 = 2 now solve? Exactly. Also also, I would say the world was subjective and contains no absolute truths. Descartes couldn't even prove he necessarily existed. "I think therefor I am".....I hope. In others perspective perhaps 1 = 2 on some days and 1 =3 on others. Or better yet 1 always equals the time of day rounded to the nearest 10th. Ooo la la!

Third point

3. My opponents case:

"1 = 1

"Fancy math" does not change this constant. Any given number equals that same given number."

First, no, debate on debate.org has not incorporated "fancy math" to attempt to change this "constant". All they have done is simply ignore the natural laws of math that humans have thus far created. Primarily this has been done by ignoring the "can't divide by 0" rule.

Secondly, you don't specify any rules which I must follow or look to in your evaluation that 1 = 1.

Conclusion: Your resolution was very vague. I think next time it should say "Under the current laws of math presented by man 1 = 1". Without such a specification 1 does not necessarily have to equal itself.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Yraelz 9 years ago
Yraelz
Actually I would argue that there is probably a video game out there where a some point numbers become skewed.
Posted by SportsGuru 9 years ago
SportsGuru
@ Thoreau: As being on the "con" side of the debate Yrealz has the burden of refutation, that is to destroy any argument pro has and (depending on the nature of the debate)to produce a counter-plan. Solo did not attack Yrealz arguments therefore they are valid in the debate. And concerning the alternate universe, it is Solo's burden to prove it does not exist not Yrealz's burden to prove it does.

@ Solo: You may have not made references to "cows, chickens, or doughnuts", but since you did not define that you were using a mathematical context, the opponent must assume that any other context is valid

Thus Yrealz wins this one(!=1) :)
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
this is stupid

how about solving a differential equation or something?
Posted by Thoreau 9 years ago
Thoreau
Ah, but Yraelz, if you have 1 orange and 1 apple, do you not have the same number of oranges that you do apples? Therefore, 1 as an adjective does indeed equal 1 as an adjective.
Besides, oranges and apples are all one category under the general grouping "fruit." Since obviously 1 fruit = 1 fruit, we can divide by "fruit" and the resulting equation would be 1 = 1.

On your argument about parallel universes, my only comment is this: Have you seen the universe where 1 does NOT equal 1? Therefore, how can you know it exists? It certainly hasn't been written about by anyone with first-hand experience, has it? Prove such a universe's existence, and your point will hold. Without evidence, we have to use other means, such as reason, which is clearly on the side of the Pro in this case.

:D
Posted by solo 9 years ago
solo
D'oh!

so = some
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<~~~ not as detail-oriented as he thought, so...
Posted by solo 9 years ago
solo
Well, dalzuga... I thought common sense would prevail. Many of you disappoint me. My argument was:

<<1 = 1.

"Fancy math" does not change this constant. Any given number equals that same given number.>>

I don't know what part of the statement would lead anyone to think that I meant anything other than the MATHEMATICAL number 1. I made no reference to cows, chickens, or doughnuts. I specifically wrote: "Any given number equals that same given number". Not any given number equals a similar number. How the voters missed that is beyond me. I guess so of the users here aren't as detail-oriented as I originally thought.
Posted by dalzuga 9 years ago
dalzuga
Actually, I think it would suffice if solo included his definition by reference to common knowledge, such as in the following statement:

<<By "1 = 1" I mean what it is commonly understood to be.>>

I think people should start debating on how to debate and on how to judge debates.
Posted by dalzuga 9 years ago
dalzuga
Solo didn't explictly define "1". I don't know whether we should take into account that we all know what he means when he writes that 1 = 1, or if we should require him to define what he means. There must be some sort of convention for when we must define things, and when we can rely on the reader's knowledge.

I propose that the most significant points of a debate should be defined. This debate heavily revolves around the definition of 1. Accordingly, I vote Con.
Posted by Yraelz 9 years ago
Yraelz
I had to pick up of the math debate. haha =)
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