The Instigator
firemonkey6775
Pro (for)
Losing
9 Points
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Pluto2493
Con (against)
Winning
33 Points

1=1 simple as that

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/15/2008 Category: Science
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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firemonkey6775

Pro

This is easy you start first and go get 100 dollars to back yourself up ok good great accept please..
Pluto2493

Con

My only contention is that math was invented by humans, and does not make sense.

Observe: 1/3+ 2/3= 3/3 = 100%

1/3= 33% repeating

.33+ .33+ .33= .9999999999 repeating.

Because we know humans invented math as a way of measuring, we can conclude that math does not exist in the natural world. Also, math is what we make of it. Tommorrow 1 could not equal 1. And since the resolution isn't in present tense, 1 could not equal 1 soon.

One more thing: he states that it is as simple as that. But in fact, math is not at all simple. That's why humans are the only ones who know math, because they can ask why. Plus it's complicating to a lot of humans. Try a microwave propagation equation. Not that easy.

Oh... yeah... the burden of proof thing.
Debate Round No. 1
firemonkey6775

Pro

firemonkey6775 forfeited this round.
Pluto2493

Con

My arguments still stands and the round has been conceded by the PRO. Please extend my points into this round and vote CON.
Debate Round No. 2
firemonkey6775

Pro

so sorry about last round on vacation and i just barely missed it. any ways back to the point

1/3 and 33.3333... have several problems and that is because you cant represent 1/3 correctly in a decimal form so we use the closest decimal approximation we can and until you can show me a piece of anything to make up the diffrence between 100% and 99.9999...% that seems to be a null argument

and in the next argument when you use fancy algbra to make 1=2 or 5 or 10

using this math and the transitive propety you make 1=1,000,000 and until your willing to trade me a million dollars for 1 i find that you are unwilling to support your theory.

Again so sorry about last round
Pluto2493

Con

Again my opponent fails his burden of proof. Nowhere in all 3 of his rounds does he provide evidence saying that 1, in fact, = 1. I urge you to vote CON, as if he brought it up now, it would be abusive to the CON side.

Let's take a look at his arguments:

"1/3 and 33.3333... have several problems and that is because you cant represent 1/3 correctly in a decimal form so we use the closest decimal approximation we can and until you can show me a piece of anything to make up the diffrence between 100% and 99.9999...% that seems to be a null argument."

This is a complete contradiction by PRO. He says 1/3 =/= .33 repeating, and yet says 99.99... is the same thing as 100. If 1/3 =/= .33, then 100% would =/= 99.99 repeating.

Also, I was not arguing that .99999 equals 1, I was arguing that math was invented by humans, and does not make sense. How has there been so much debate about .999=1 if math made sense? It is just our way of measuring.

"and in the next argument when you use fancy algbra to make 1=2 or 5 or 10
using this math and the transitive propety you make 1=1,000,000 and until your willing to trade me a million dollars for 1 i find that you are unwilling to support your theory."

hmm... seems to me that that was not my argument. I was arguing that the resolution has =, not equals, and thus does not mean in the present tense. So, your argument is proven false because 1 could not equal 1, as math and science change every day.

My opponent drops the argument about 'simple as that.' Again, I do not have to disprove the entire resolution. Therefore, if I disprove one word in the resolution, I win this debate.

Right now, I see no reason to vote anywhere but CON.
Debate Round No. 3
firemonkey6775

Pro

firemonkey6775 forfeited this round.
Pluto2493

Con

There is a 100 character limit in responding to firemonkey6775's forfeited last round so I'll keep typing theeeerrrrreeee we go
Debate Round No. 4
firemonkey6775

Pro

your 1/3 example is the reason you dont use repeating decimal approximations it throws your math off. In the end of your proposition you say .99=1 and as you can see its not man may say what it wants but common since says its not.

And yes math was ceated by humans but you can still make sense of it and if a 1st grader can understan 1=1 then so can you i would say thats down on the simple end of things.

You would be unwilling to trade anything of two thing for one of the same thing (assuming they are the exact same thing).

And your equals argument of math and science changing everday is a lie math and science are always the same what humans understand of it is diffrent. but today yesterday and guess what even tommorow 2 of the exact same item are the exact same if they have equal forces acting on them. but no matter what when you weigh 2 one pound items they are equal no matter what you say. so in the end of this i have nulled every one of my opponents arguments
Pluto2493

Con

I'll give you the only way to vote and why: Vote CON, HE NEVER COMPLETES HIS BURDEN OF PROOF.

It seems he had enough time, 5 rounds, to post something that 1=1, but he never, in fact, does so. In all of his rounds, he either only responds to my arguments or forfeited. There is no other way to vote right now.

"your 1/3 example is the reason you dont use repeating decimal approximations it throws your math off."

Actually .33 repeating equals 1/3, while .33 might not. Math simply does not make sense. This is only one example. There are many contradictions in math. Plus, as my opponent says, math was created by humans. Thus,
math doesn't exist and he is running under a false case.

Also, he only clears up his argument and contradicting until this round, and thus it is abusive because I only get one solid argument on him.

"And your equals argument of math and science changing everday is a lie math and science are always the same what humans understand of it is diffrent."

This was in new argument in R5 and is abusive.

He also states this "yes math was ceated by humans," which means math is what we make of it. Thus, his interpretation is wrong because he makes a contradiction in saying that our interpretation varies and math is always constant, but we created it.

FINALLY, MY OPPONENT DROPS THE ARGUMENT ABOUT SIMPLE AS THAT. In none of his 4 rebuttals does he adress this, and thus the resolution is proved false because of 3 words. Please extend my argument about simple as that into this round, as it needs no re-itorating.

Thank you, I urge you to vote CON.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Pluto2493 9 years ago
Pluto2493
seeing as how he's 0-17 and has forfeited several rounds, I'd say that he's going to at least forfeit a few.
Posted by gowolves777 9 years ago
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I wonder how five rounds are going to turn out......
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