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padfo0t
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Im_always_right
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1 can be proven to have the same value as 0.9999999etc.

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Started: 8/6/2008 Category: Science
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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padfo0t

Pro

Good day to you, opponent, and to you, the voter

1 and .99999etc can be proved to be the same, and have the same value.
In other words, they are equivalent.

If you disagree with my statement, please accept this debate and tell me why.
Im_always_right

Con

1 and .999999... is NOT the same, because in order to be euivelent it must be the SAME number. Maybe if you are rounding the number it could be the same. That is like saying "7 and 10 are the same, and have the same value." Anybody that knows simple math, knows that 7 and 10 are NOT the same thing. Thus my opponent is trying to make you as the voters, and me as his opponent believe something untrue. .9999 is not the same as 0, it is not the same as 1, it is the same as .9999.

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Why, padfo0t, did you think of this debate?
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As it stands, you as the voters with common sense must vote con.
Debate Round No. 1
padfo0t

Pro

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Even though people vote on their own opinions,
I thought I'd try to show people the truth,
and maybe by the time this debate ends, you
will agree with me.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Lets start here:

>>>IF 0.999999999etc. = a

THEN 10 x 0.9999999etc. = 10a correct?

SO 9.99999999etc. = 10a
(-a) (-a)
THEN 9 = 9a

THEN 1 = a

SO 1 = 0.999999999etc

There you go, there's the TRUTH
(emphasis on truth)
Im_always_right

Con

LOL...

Okay that is like saying 2.1 X 10= 20 therfore 2.1=2. Thus .9999 cannot equal the same value as 1, because, 1 is 1 is 1, and cannot be anything else. 9999 has it's own value, thus cannot have the same value that 1 has.
Therefore, you must vote Con, as it stands, unless Pro provides information voiding the numirical value of these numbers.

I eagerly await my opponent's responce.
Debate Round No. 2
padfo0t

Pro

...coughcough...response...coughcough...

Excuse me. No, I never said 2.1 X 10=20
It is obvious that that is rounding. There is absolutely no rounding in my explanation, and each and every step has been proven to work. If you look again at the topic of this debate>>>

1 can be proven to have the same value as 0.9999999etc.

>>>Then you will realize that I have
in fact
proven that 1 CAN have the same value as 0.99etc
There is no further way that you could convince other to vote for you,
BUt, sadly, many vote on their own opinion
DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Therefore, you must vote Pro, as it stands.

I also agree that no they are not always the same,
but the topic of this debate here allows that to be so.
No harsh feelings.

PS. DOL means Debate Out Loud.
Im_always_right

Con

This round was forfeited because the debater found her glasses and now has a huge headache on top of being blonde and did not agree to the allotted time.

Okay N/M that, but, that is like saing 1 can be proven to = 2 which doesn't NORMALLY make since. I can prove it though. Thus if you prove something once it is not always ligit, thus, you can prove 1 to be .99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 all you want, but that doesn't make 1=.99999999, unless 1=2 which nobody will agree to without proof. Which means that if a number is a noumber once it must always be that number. Meaning that 1 cannot be .9999 etc. and 1 cannot be 2. Thus 1 is 1, and 2 is 2, and .9999 is .9999.

which means you must vote con.
Debate Round No. 3
padfo0t

Pro

Other than the fact that...like...fifty words were misspelled, that made
COMPLETELY NO SENSE!!!

Although my opponent persists on making me and others confused, I do not agree with the fact that 1=2, and I also do not agree that 1 is the SAME as 0.9999999999999.
What i DO believe is that 1 CAN BE PROVEN to have THE SAME VALUE as 0.99999999999999999999999999999999999etc.

Just admit it.
What say you about the supposed mouse?
PLease say sorry to Chip.,..
Im_always_right

Con

So you do not agree that 1=.99999, which means it doesn't which means it cannot be PROVEN which means 1 does not =2 even though I can show you the equation that shows that meaning every number has it's own value and you have surrendered.

Thus I win, you MUST vote con on this debate.

Have fun Chip the Mouster, padfo0t, and all the voters.

Also I never thought that you thought that I thought that you thought you made me think that, thus I do not think that you thought that I thought you felt that way.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
plus, is there even enough space in india?
Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
No,
i said it is 0.999999999etc.
that explains that the 9's go on forever,
but i don't have nearly enough time or charachters to write it all out.
No one can!
Posted by akshaygoel 9 years ago
akshaygoel
Please vote for one of my debates.. Will India be able to host the Olympics like the Chinese.. My 1st debate.. Please read my argument and comment and vote con..
I do not argue that India will never hold the Olympics in the future for I am not an astrologer.. I only debate the fact that India has a remote chance of doing so and no chance of holding the Olympics on a scale as large as the Chinese..
Posted by skpeejay 9 years ago
skpeejay
You know what?! the con party is debating nonsense,

He's stating that if .99999 is not the same as 1 because the numerical figure of it is not exactly 1 but 0.999999...

Nonsense,, Every one here should vote for PRO, because mathematically speaking, the numerical figure of a number doesn't matter, what matters here is the VALUE, of a number,..

CASE CLOSED!! Enough with the SMALL TALK,
Posted by akshaygoel 9 years ago
akshaygoel
Well I know where the error lies in ur statement of pro..
u say a = 0.9999
10a = 9.999 and not 9.9999 {so 9a not equal to exact 9..}
why the heck do u consider some 0.9999 as 0.99999
there's a difference.. there's another maths function for it. 0.9 and a bar on top...
vote con..
Posted by Zerosmelt 9 years ago
Zerosmelt
sorry i confused the operations
it should be 10a - a

if you write it out

9.99ect -.99ect = 10a - a

9 = 10a - a

.9 = a -(a/10)

.9 = (10a/10) - (1a/10)

.9 = 9a/10

9 = 9a

a = 1

Indeed you are correct, VOTE PRO.
Posted by Zerosmelt 9 years ago
Zerosmelt
Im going to have to vote CON if you don't clarify that

if you are subtracting "a" from both sides you would get

9 = 10 not

9=9a

(i do believe that they can be proven to be the same but must vote con if that is the operation you used.)
Posted by Im_always_right 9 years ago
Im_always_right
He is asking you for clarification, that's what happens when you give a rat a computer though...
Posted by padfo0t 9 years ago
padfo0t
yes, your clarification seems correct
Posted by Zerosmelt 9 years ago
Zerosmelt
could you clarify this operation:

SO 9.99999999etc. = 10a
(-a) (-a)
THEN 9 = 9a
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