The Instigator
Cogito-ergo-sum
Pro (for)
Winning
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bluecarnival
Con (against)
Losing
6 Points

1st Time Rap Battle

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/24/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Cogito-ergo-sum

Pro

This is my first attempt at a rap battle, so don't go easy on me. Bring your best game.
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Now before you begin your critique of me in what you think ain't phat
Sit back down in your chair and let me tell you where I am at
I'm intangible, beyond the realms of your clasp
I'll watch you writhe on the floor trying not to succumb to my grasp
Your rhymes are dated, your flow ain't got squat
In fact, let me paraphrase The Dude – you're just human paraquat!

You want to get into the realms of rapture and the transcendent?
Well allow me to instruct you that my evinces put me within the incandescent
I'll run circles around like how a Boa constricts
You're only here because this is my game and you my conscript
Think you have got the tools to do the job?.......You are ill prepared!
You can't even figure out that to get to 9, is just 3 squared.

You can stand in your guise of armour proper, bullet proof
Though you cannot see that you're not bombastic, merely aloof
You can kid your friends into thinking it is all for jest,
But at the cost of you trying to make me look stupid, I must protest
That I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request
To bow down before your stalwart stature in my own grimace
I will fight until the end and will never lose face.

So just as Achilles was touched by Apollo's arrow
You'll be left as mobile as a wheelless barrow
I'll get right to it, and try as best to be thorough
I can master a sentence and always have room for semantics
But don't fret; don't worry, we won't laugh at your antics
You see capers aren't just for a clown, what's that? Don't frown!
Follow my rhyme down the hole with Alice to meet the white rabbit
I'll show that lyrically you are just a creature of habit.

You can't move with the times or learn from its antiquity
Just sit in a corner rocking to-and-fro murmuring something quickly
Hoping that enough syllables and speed will give you what you need
But please pay heed, and listen to a righteous creed
Your words fall from grace out of your maw and onto deaf ears
The reverberations of everything but your voice leaves you in fear
I have esoteric knowledge like the illuminati top tier - Look
Here are some binoculars to help you see and to stop you from having to peer.

Now let me begin my final rendition
A configuration of a vocal conflagration
This was no confabulation, just a conversation
No, not even that, a solution to my own resolution
Now drink my philtre and adulate me ‘cause of my potion
Leave you with the notion that you love me - that is your emotion
Do you get ever get that feeling when you see formulated poetry in motion?
bluecarnival

Con

Hello everyone. Opponent.

The topic is "1st Time Rap Battle" and I am con. In other words, I stand in opposition to this rap battle.

First of all, it's not a rap battle. My opponent essentially had infinite time to write whatever he wanted. This is more of an abrasive poetry battle.

Second of all, my opponent is just weak in general. With a major portion of rhyming words likely coming from the top-rated section of urbandictionary, time spent writing abrasive poetry in response could be better spent criticizing the idea altogether, or working on some real music.

It is apparent that my opponent's mindset was to sound as deep as possible by using as many syllables as possible in as few words as possible. It came out atrociously verbose, and very difficult to read. There is something in the hip hop community referred to as "flow". My opponent has none.

I would've liked to have critiqued his content, but I couldn't stay focused for long enough to get through a stanza.

He says something about Alice in Wonderland, tries to rhyme quickly and antiquity, draws a line between "peering" and "seeing", and plenty of other stupid shite. If you don't vote for me, you're voting for stupid shite. If you're stupid, and you like stupid shite, vote for my opponent.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by bluecarnival 7 years ago
bluecarnival
You see, you're just using a bunch of long words to make it sound like you know what you're talking about. It's not about how you say things, my friend, it's about what you're saying. "Denounce", "bedimmed", "disjointed", who really talks like that man? And it's not even conveying anything special.

I didn't "allude" to you're writing of stanzas. I said it was boring so I couldn't get through one.

Yo son, you don't understand the flow. But I forgive you.
Posted by Cogito-ergo-sum 7 years ago
Cogito-ergo-sum
I don't think I was overly cryptic in my comment post.

I am not 'battle rap'.

'Baseless attacks on whoever your opponent was' - No opponent was present, nor did I pre agree/set an agenda with someone else and myself to engage in a rap battle so yes, the attacks were baseless (As per your agreement with the debate, it was a known that there was 1 round). My side was already written and waiting for a contender to accept: knowing what I had already written and giving them the advantage of a rebuttal and a span of time larger than the allotted 3 hours because they could formulate an attack back with X-amount of time then plus three additional hours.

'It came out atrociously verbose, and very difficult to read. There is something in the hip hop community referred to as "flow". My opponent has none.' - Direct contradiction to -
'Just because my rhythm was harder to find, and it didn't rhyme as much'
You can denounce my rhythm and rhyme in a series of written prose but then state it was a bedimmed rhythm and disjointed rhyming technique? You also allude to my writing of stanzas.

Now I do not understand you.
Posted by bluecarnival 7 years ago
bluecarnival
Cogito, I'm not sure what you're saying.

You're battle rap was full of baseless attacks on whoever your opponent was. Just because my rhythm was harder to find, and it didn't rhyme as much, doesn't mean I was trying to destroy the debate.
Posted by resolutionsmasher 7 years ago
resolutionsmasher
He did not cross any lines concerning the resolution and thus he took the debate in a reasonable direction. If this is a problem, then it is on your part, seeing as how you did not make certain your intentions with the debate. Thus for taking this debate the way that he did and conducting himself properly (except for the vulgarity) I give him my vote.
Posted by Cogito-ergo-sum 7 years ago
Cogito-ergo-sum
Bluecarnival - You have misunderstood the purpose of this rap battle. During a conversation with GeoLaureate8 I noticed in his debate history that he had engaged in 'Rap Battles' before: I took this as an inspirational way to address people with varying language i.e. Rhyme, Slang and so on, essentially a bit of harmless fun using dises to have a laugh.

Taking the position of con, you could have taken the train of thought that you would simply be my opponent and that would be it - Not going down the root that I am for 'Rap Battles' and you should be against.

No words in the piece I wrote came from Urbandictionary. I don't actually recall every going to the website, mainly as I don't need to as I have the Chambers Slang Dictionary.

Could it not be argued that RAP is in essence a form of abrasive poetry? It has evolved from its original birthplace and has become a platform/medium for friction and controversy between two or more people(s)/group(s)

Clearly Bluecarnival has issues with having a varied vocabulary. Sounding deep? I don't think I went too deep with anything in particular - I didn't try and get existential and philosophical.
Using polysyllabic words is not a bad thing and I don't see why you would make the claim that it is. I can understand the difficult to read statement, if you don't know what some of the words are, points of reference etc then yes, I concede that could be true.

Why would 'flow' come into it if you denounce my rap as in fact not being rap but being abrasive poetry?

So you're ignorant? You're going to do what other people do by formulating an opinion based on minimal information?

Why such aggression? Why insult strangers because they may have a different view point?

Either way, I would like to draw a line under it and say thanks for taking up the debate in your own manner and style.
Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
really... dude u really gonna do that?
Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
i would take this if its still here later i cant post in 3 hours i have a final to take
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
Ohhh feverish good call lol I didn't even notice that.
Posted by feverish 7 years ago
feverish
I guess that's kind of imaterial L as there is only one round.
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
You only allow for 3 hours in between rounds... What if your opponent can't get on every few hours? You should extend it *at least* to 6-12 hours.
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