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2b. Affirmative Action

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Started: 10/3/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Tatarize

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The greatest indicator in today's society for where a person will end up in life is where they started in life. Nowhere is this more true for minorities where racism and bigotry has repeatedly and throughout the generations squandered any chance at the American dream. It is the duty of government to give everybody an equal shake at life. The concept of liberty is not simply a lack of chains but a chance at gains. The opportunity to do better than our fathers.

The first and most well known step of affirmative action was to eliminate racial bias in the case of Brown v. Board of Education which resulted in a busing system such that individuals from white neighborhoods and those from minority neighborhoods could end up getting the same opportunities. Prior to the decision everybody simply went to the closest school and if that school happened to be a majority minority school, it just happened to get far less money and far less support. After breaking down the idea of "separate but equal" we were left with what what amounted to the same thing without the mandate. We needed to take an affirmative action to make sure that equal opportunities were had by all.

We needed to take action to make the institutions of this fine country free of bias after it had been entrenched for so long it wasn't simply going to go away because we said it was wrong in a loud voice.

Affirmative action is an attempt to make sure that everybody gets a fair shake in society. That you can't simply hire people who look like you and deny the opportunities to those who don't. We don't simply take your word that you hired the best and the brightest and they happened to be the whitest. We need to make sure that those of our fathers generation and their father's generations are allowed to rise to their full potential and not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Admittedly the idea of quotas within affirmative action was a mistake. However, allowing individuals to suggest that all minorities just happened to be less qualified than their white counterparts is just as far from acceptable. Companies can hire whomever they want, they can freely choose one person over another. They can't, however, choose that person because of the color of their skin or gender and deny chances to those who have historically been denied chances.

Is it too much to ask that when policemen patrol an area that some fraction of that police force look like those they are policing? That we should take a stand against quiet racism and allow the hiring and firing of people to the point that the entire workforce happens to be all white men?

We can't just say "no" and leave it at that. The government needs to continue to take affirmative action to make sure that we banish the specter of racism, not simply the direct bigotry of hate, but also the scars left on those populations which were quelled by injustice and whose children do not have the opportunities of others because their parents didn't have the opportunity of others.

It's a vicious cycle and we need to take action, not just in word but deed, to make sure it dies with our father's generation.
beem0r

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My opponent's argument, in favor of affirmative action, is nothing but racism. I would say "sure, it may not seem that way at first," but so many people have already noticed this fact.

Affirmative action is racism against all races. For simplicity's sake, we'll just talk about whites and blacks here, and with nothing said about other minorities or the genders - though the same arguments about whites will apply to men as well, and the arguments about blacks will apply to all other minorities along with women.

Affirmative action is racist against whites because a black person who is equal in all other regards will be given more opportunity. The very effect of affirmative action is racist against whites/majority groups. Why should two men, of the same quality in every other regard, be treated differently based on the color of their skin? This is a barbaric notion, and the fact that we have yet to cut ourselves off from such things makes me uneasy, as it should make all of you.

But you might be wondering, how is affirmative action racist against blacks (/other minorities/women)? It is in the implied premise behind the thing. Like I said before, a white man and a black man, equal in all other regards, will be treated differently. The black man will be given more opportunity. What does this say? This says that our society thinks a black man _needs_ some sort of handicap. It's as if society thinks that 'equal in all other regards' doesn't actually mean equal, it means that the black man is less than the white man and needs to be propped up. This is just as ridiculous as the other racism from this wretched excuse for a social program.

My opponent points out that racism was once a problem in a very different sense, back with the separate but equal stuff. However, fixing these problems of racism has nothing to do with affirmative action as it is now. Separate but equal was struck down because it did not allow the races equal opportunity with all other things held the same. However, we've now taken it to the even further extreme - instead of blacks being treated poorly simply because they were black, we now have blacks being treated better than whites simply because they are black.

My opponent's case is nothing but ridiculous spins, turning this racist practice into some sort of 'equality.' As I said, it can only be considered an equalizer if we consider being black to be a disadvantage on its own.

There is no way for affirmative action to operate, by very definition, without giving one race more opportunity based solely on race. My opponent suggests that we need to make sure racism is eliminated, and I agree. Egalitarianism is spreading just like any other idea. We do not need some racist system in place to try and even things out - it is unjust and unnecessary.
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Posted by beem0r 8 years ago
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Yeah, I've been away this weekend, didn't really want to do any debating until I got back home. I ended up forfeiting one of my rounds in another debate for that very reason, bah.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
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Psst, you're cutting it close there beem0r...

Although if it cancels by not replying I'll just repost it.
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