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5v5 deathmatch any series you want

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Started: 4/22/2013 Category: Entertainment
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GiantSpoonMan

Pro

Remember the first round is simply acceptance and chosing your characters. Make sure your characters are all from the same series.
This will consist of chosing five characters from a given series who you think would make for a fun fight.
Some rules:
No god tier, no planet or moon busters, no unkillable characters etc.

Try to aim for mid tier characters to make this a fun/fair fight.

I will be chosing the one piece universe.

My characters.

Trafalgar law.
1.onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Trafalgar_Law

2.Roranoa Zoro.
onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Roronoa_Zoro

3.Sanji.
onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Sanji

4.Monkey D. Luffy.
onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy

5.Portgas D. Ace
onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Portgas_D._Ace

I look forward to a fun debate.
The_argueonator

Con

i really like the thought of this topic and i chose Naruto with: Naruto Uzumaki, Sasuke Uchiha, Neji Hyuuga, Kazekage 5th Gaara and Orochimaru all from http://kenshin70047.tripod.com...
Debate Round No. 1
GiantSpoonMan

Pro

Thank you for accepting this debate.

I am very suprised that you didn't chose any water style fighters as they would be a valuable asset to your team.
Now lets look at some stats.

None of the characters you chose are as physically strong as Zoro, sage mode naruto is the only one even close. None of the characters you chose are as fast as luffy, not even close. An advantage you have is the fact that Naruto characters have a very diverse ability set. Gaara was a strong choice since he has such a large area of effect ability. The problem with this is the sand has proven that it can be smashed through and avoided using speed. Luffy is faster than part one lee,no questions asked, so he will be able to get around Gaara's sand, or punch right through it. The strongest fighter on your team is obviously naruto with his Bijuu bomb. when law uses his room ability he can transfer peoples souls to ther people, for example Nruto will be in Sasukes body and vice versa. Looking back on when naruto learned the Bijuu bomb it took him a long time to figure out the chakra formation so if someone else was in his body they would not be able to use this move.

Now looking at Neji, he seems to be the weakest link on your team. He would not be able to hold his own against anyone on my line up. Take sanji for example. Neji may be able to counter his speed with Byakugon but sanji's strength and heat would be to much. Hell's memories would take Neji out of the fight for good.

Now for sasuke. We can put sasuke up against Zoro. Zoro is known for being able to take a hit, such as sasuke's most powerful technique, karin. Zoro has taken far more punishment when he was confronted by Kuma. Kuma hit him with a blow that was equivalant to everything Luffy had taken while they were on the island. Zoro was standing proud at the end of it, clearly unable to fight but he was alive. Sasuke on the other hand was hit once by Killer Bee and got his chest blown out. Zoro would be to strong and sturdy for sasuke.

Naruto vs. Luffy. Luffy is just to fast. Looking back at fishman island luffy kicked Hordy Jones through a mountain before Hordy even noticed he had moved. Naruto can move quickly in his nine tailed chakra cloak mode but it only lasts 5 minutes. After that he is done.

Trafalgar Law vs. Gaara. Gaara's sand wouldnt mean much in Law's room. Law could knock away the sand with the flick of his finger inside his room so gaara wouldnt have much of a chance.

Ace vs. orochimaru. Ace would just burn him down. This would be the closest battle simply because orochimaru doesn't seem to die very easily. When orochimaru enters his true snake form his poison would just be burned away by Ace. Anything he throws at him would be burned away easily in the presence of Ace since he IS fire.
The_argueonator

Con

... i didn't expect this kind of match up well this is my first debate so i did know what to exepct so i try to combat this the best i can
naruto vs. luffy: with naruto's nine tailed chakra cloakhe may only need 5 minutes and even then he could use Oiroke no Jutsu (Sexy no Jutsu) to stun luffy or Bunshin Taiatari (Clone Suicide Bombing) and even speed cant win against Shihohappo Shuriken (Shuriken from All Directions)

trafalgar vs. Gaara your are right that gaara wouldn't stand a chance in law's room but law couldn't stand much of a chance on gaara's turf so if there was a place both of there powers were dominate then it would be almost equal.

sasuke vs. zoro. you are also right that zoro can take any 1 hit from sasuke but the amount of damage sasuke can do with all of his attacks may be to much for even zoro.

neji vs. sanji. Neji, is very strong and, like Sasuke, is a natural genius and was the number one rookie genin of last year. im sure with Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou (Eight Divine Signs: One-Hundred and Twenty-Eight Palm Strikes)
and Hakke Kuushou (Eight Divine Signs: Emty Palm Strike) he would beat sanji also with byakugan he can see 360 degrees so he cant be taken by surprise

orochimau has very many stong echniques and would be a equal match for ace
Debate Round No. 2
GiantSpoonMan

Pro

Thank you for your response. You made a lot of good point and I will address what you said about Naruto's water summon toad in the comments.

Naruto Vs. Luffy.
Naruto DOES stand a chance against Luffy since he has nine tails, rasengan, bijuu bomb, shadow clones, summoning, sage mode, rasen-shuriken, etc. He has all these tools but sexy jutsu will have no effect on Luffy. Luffy fought Boa Hancock who is supposed to be the most beautiful women in the world. If you lust for her at all she can turn you to stone. This did not work on Luffy. If sexual attraction doesn't effect Luffy sexy jutsu won't do much. Now you also brought up the fact that Naruto could make shadow clones and throw shuriken from every direction. Luffy is just to fast for this to work. I am going to back this up by looking back to when luffy fought Caesar clown. Caesar surrounded him with explosive gas and ignited it, Luffy out ran the explosion and appeared behind Caesar. He is ridiculously fast and also has observation Haki so he would know what Naruto was going to do right before he did it. The only way I see Naruto winning this fight is catching Luffy with a bijuu bomb or multiple rasen-shuriken. I don't see either of these landing very easily. Since I think we are both in agreement that Luffy is faster than Naruto we must assume that Luffy will get multiple shots in before Naruto can charge up a bijuu bomb. If naruto gets hit with elephant gattling he will have to stop charging his bijuu bomb to block or try to evade, this would make it nearly impossible for him to get a chance to use this move. Now onto the water summon frog. It's just not fast enough. It may distract Luffy long enough for naruto to charge bijuu bomb but how will naruto hit Luffy if he can just appear behind him with extreme speed and agility?

Law vs. Gaara.
This would almost be a stalemate in my opinion. The only problem is Gaara's sand is visible. If law sees it he can just smack it away. Law's attacks inside room are invisible. Gaara will not be able to evade invisible attacks which means he will have to be on the defensive. Law cut Vergo in two when he had his full body covered in Haki which means he could easily cut Gaara's sand.

Zoro vs. Sasuke.
When Sasuke is in Susanoo he can hurt Zoro for sure using Amaterasu or his giant sword. The only problem is Zoro can use 160 pound cannon to smack Sasuke from a distance. Once Susanoo has taken enough of a beating Sasuke will only be able to use the rib cage form of his Susanoo. So now we have Sasuke's lightning style + Sharingan vs Zoro's three sword style. When Sasuke crossed swords with killer be he got stomped. It showed that he really wasn't much of a swordsman at all. If we look at just simple strength Sasuke is outclassed. If they clash swords Sasuke will be overpowered in a second. Zoro also only needs to hit Sasuke once to injure him. just look back to when sasuke fought Bee, he got stabbed and needed healing, he got hit with lament and needed a new rib cage. It comes down to Zoro being much more of a sturdy fighter than Sasuke.

Neji Vs. Sanji.
Neji is fast and has just as much range as Sanji using air palm, but hand to hand will be tough for him. Gentle fist may very will be enough to take Sanji town after a few shots since it hits organs but Sanji can fly. Because of this
Sanji chooses when to engage and Neji just has to be ready for it. Neji also has no way to block Diable Jambe so he would be taken out with one or two kicks.

Orochimaru Vs. Ace.
Ace has to many options. He could just use the technique he used against Blackbeard where he created a ball of fire almost as hot as a star and throw it at Orochimaru. It would incinerate him and all of his snakes.
The_argueonator

Con

naruto vs luffy
naruto can make clones of himself he could also make a clone that turns into a log when you hit it and that would distract luffy long enough for naruto to get a good combo in.

Law vs gaara
law cant swim so all gaara has to do is knock law into water or make quick sand below him and law is a goner.

zoro and sasuke
sasuke may not be as good in sword fighting as zoro but saske has devastating attacks such as kirin also zoro has no sense of dirictions (because he's a man of course) sasuke is also alot faster on foot then zoro so sasuke can just strike evade strike evade until zoro is out

neji vs sanji
remember neji cant be taken by surprise so flying just gets sanji out of neji's distance but he has to come down some time also sanji has 1 main weakness... women and neji can use sexy no jitsu so sanji will come down neji will turn back to himself and sanji wont last long then.

orochimaru vs ace
orochimaur has He has Leech All Creation, with which he can prevent any attack done to him by merging with the environment and if he were to do that when ace uses his fir ball no damage will be done to him and im pretty sure ace cant use that move twice also he cand modifiy his body These modifications include stretching and bending the body and reconnecting the body in case of bisection. Orochimaru is also able to shed his body and recreate himself, which can be used to heal injuries. Thus, even if Orochimaru is unable to transfer bodies, he can easily heal and evade attacks, rendering him virtually immortal. Orochimaru also alters the face of his host bodies to look like his original form Sasuke stated that he only beat Orochimaru because he was weakly sick orochimaru can even sommon the first 4 Hokage's ace cant go 5 vs 1 ecspacily science they are the 5 strongest ninja's out there
Debate Round No. 3
GiantSpoonMan

Pro

GiantSpoonMan forfeited this round.
The_argueonator

Con

I will just sum up my points
law vs gaara
equal

Zoro vs. sasuke
sasuke wins

neji vs sanji
sanji wins

naruto vs luffy
equal

Orochmaru vs ace
equal
Debate Round No. 4
GiantSpoonMan

Pro

Sorry that I did not post my last argument, I forgot to post it after writing it...
Anyway I won't talk about Sanji and neji since you already said that Sanji would win. But when has Neji ever used sexy jutsu????????

Sasuke vs Zoro.
Sasuke does have a pretty good chance of winning with his EMS. He has shown that he can use genjutsu to a small degree which could let him get a strong attack off. Even with all these factors he still cannot finish Zoro. Zoro can take any one blow sasuke uses which will wake him from genjutsu. Sasuke is also not shown to be super talented using genjutsu. When Zoro goes for an attack with his three sword style sasuke will be over powered and taken down. Sasuke is faster than zoro when using chidori but its only for a brief second and can be blocked. Even if sasuke uses chidori and charges Zoro Zoro can just use 160 pound cannon to knock him away and hurt him. Sasuke is also not a swordsman, the weapon he has is actually considered more of a knife than a sword (has no hilt, strange shape).
Zoro has also shown that he can chop a human literally made of steel in half, he can easily chop sasukes little sword. Every time sasuke fights he has help or it isnt a fair fight. Itachi let sasuke beat him, orochimaru was sick and could not use his arms, killer bee fought Sasuke, Jugo, Suigetsu, and Karin at the same time nearly beating them. Karin was used as a distraction so that Sasuke could take out Danzo. Zoro also has feets of cutting huge ships in two, sasuke would be doomed. Zoro also has observation Haki so he can see attacks before they happen. Quick summary of how the fight would go. Sasuke uses susonoo rib cage form and uses his stun genjutsu on Zoro( the one he used on Bee). He now gets a free shot off, we will say susonoo blade strike. This wakes Zoro and soro charges with three sword style, knocking Sasuke down. Sasuke gets up and they have a sword fight sasuke uses chidori nagashi but can only block one of Zoro's three swords. The other two swords cut Sasuke in half.

Naruto Vs. Luffy.
I have trouble with the fact that you think substitution jutsu would be the deciding factor in this fight. Luffy has observation Haki so he would know Naruto was setting a trap and has shown that he can sence the real person when they are surrounded by clones of themselves(as seen when he fought mr.3). Luffy outran an explosion when he fought Ceasar Clown, the explosive gas was literally surrounding him and he outran it. Naruto is to slow and can only use flying thunder god (teleportation) once or twice and is not good at it. Luffy has way more punching power than Naruto, he punched a tsunami in two in part one of one piece. In part two he one shot a pacifista and took out a huge dragon with the help of Zoro. I will give a brief summary of how the fight will go. Naruto and Luffy square off, Naruto in chakra coat, Luffy in gear 2nd. Luffy moves so fast Naruto loses track of him, next thing he knows he is flying through the air. This continues for a minute or two then Naruto manages to build up a rasen-shuriken. Luffy goes into gear third uses elaphant gun (enlarges his fist and covers it with armor haki) and knocks the rasen-shuriken back into naruto. Proceeds to punch Naruto until the fight is over.

Law vs. Gaara.
What can Gaara do? How would gaara know that Law is weak to water and find a push him into a lake? Inside laws room (which is the size of an island) Gaara's sand won't be very effective since law can just knock it away whenever he pleases. He would just cut Gaara in half and win the fight, very simple.

Orochimaru Vs Ace.

You still have not told me how orochimaru will injure ace much less kill him. Yes Orochimaru can use Leech all creation but it doesn't happen quickly, it moves like mud which is to slow. He is very hard to kill with strikes since he just molds his body to avoid them but fire is differant. Fire can still burn him and ace is made of fire. Orochimaru needs sacrifices to summon people which he doesn't just carry around with him. Lets say after Naruto, Neji, Sasuke, and Gaara are killed he uses their bodies. It takes a few minutes for him to set everything up which he doesnt have. As soon as he starts collecting the dead bodies all five fighters on my side will beat him to death. Since this is a deathbattle as soon as a fight is over the winner can help his teammates. Even if it was only ace he would just incenerate the corpses and orochimaru would be unable to summon anyone.

To be fair I left out the fact that Laws room would actually cover the entire battlefield makeing most attacks from any Naruto character useless. Law could actually fight all five Naruto characters for awhile inside his room( yes they would kill him but it would take a long time). Law could just use shambles (the changing of souls) on all your characters rendering them nearly useless. After that Ace would just light them all up and call it a day.

Thank you For the debate, it was fun. Vote pro!
The_argueonator

Con

naruto vs. luffy
1) My first argument is that Luffy is equal speed with current Naruto, and his faster attacks do not cause enough damage to kill Naruto. Naruto is capable of easily moving faster than the human eye can see, Even if Luffy were to attempt to enter one of the Gears to combat Naruto, activating a gear takes time, time that Naruto could use to plant several shuriken and/or kunai in Luffy's head. In Sage Mode, Naruto's speed is augmented further, and he could generate a one-handed Rasen Shuriken at a distance, close to close range, and throw the shuriken to injure Luffy enough to kill him with a Kunai.
2) My second argument is that Naruto can outnumber Luffy and overwhelm him. Luffy's techniques are best suited to one-on-one combat or group combat against a number of mediocre foes. Naruto possesses the ability to summon a number of powerful toads and use techniques in conjunction with them. Naruto could summon Gamabunta, Gamakichi, and Gamatatsu (three of his most favored summons), hide inside Gamabunta's mouth, and have the toads distract Luffy long enough for Naruto to enter Sage Mode. From there, Naruto could summon Gamaken, Fukasaku, and Gamahiro, and together Sage Naruto and his toads could overwhelm Luffy. naruto can creat 50 clones of himself as strong as the 3rd hokage ( http://naruto.wikia.com... ) luffy may be able to tell the real naruto but it doesnt mean anything if their all the same.
3) My third argument is that Naruto can outsmart Luffy. Luffy's strategies are all improvised on-the-spot without any real strategic considerations involved. Naruto, on the other hand, is capable of "formulating complex plans in the midst of battle" and possesses considerable deceptive and tactical skill. Given the evidence I have presented and the greater variety in Naruto's abilities than Luffy's, it can be reasoned that Naruto could outsmart Luffy and defeat him.

sasuke vs zoro
you keep saying that sasuke cant kill zoro with 1 blow, you are right but sasuke could easily get in many more blows then 1 also sasuke can go to supersonic speeds example: at the forest of death. Here Sasuke manages to dodge an attack from Zaku. Now Zaku claims his attacks are at the speed of sound. Sasuke manages to dodge this attack carrying both Naruto and Sakura. zoro has a problem finding a opponent in front of him how could he find 1 that was hiding.

law vs gaara:
do you think gaara will just go over to law's room? no he would wait somewhere else he hea the most patince out of anyone he would wait he life out where ever he is and never move. when law's patince runs out he will come over and then law would be destroyed

orochimaru vs ace
it would be a fight that would last hours but ace would win in the end

the battle:

law's island is a unfair place to fight i see an island with a beach (for 1 peice) and a forest close by (naruto)
we are going to say that there is bloodlust so their going all out
Round 1:
neji and sanji: this one is quick neji: sexy no jitsu sanji comes down to admire the beautiful woman in front of him neji stops sexy no jitsu uses 128 palm strike and kills sanji

naruto vs luffy: fast fighting but no major injuries yet

zoro vs sasuke: zoro has done damage but sasuke is leading him towards the forest.

gaara vs law:
im just going to elimate these 2 because i dont see any 1 winning unless there in laws room

oro vs ace:
ace done minor damage but oro doesnt seem hurt

round 2
naruto vs luffy
luffy trys to get into 2nd gear but naruto hits him with rasen shurkin which did major damage but luffy is still up and fighting as he did scince the beginning.

sasuke vs zoro: zoro is in the woods lost away from the rest of the group their is no way he will find his way back in time to help his friends.

oro vs ace
ace winning oro is hurt but is still standing oro hasnt laid a finger on ace yet but the neji comes out of nowhere and helps oro the tide of battle turns and ace cant get a single attack out because hes to busy on def

round 3

naruto vs luffy: naruto is severly injured luffy laughs about to finish him off the sasuke comes out of the woods tackles luffy to the ground the start fighting naruto uses his final strenght to turn 9 tails with sasuke and naruto (9 tail version) luffy cant hold his own.

oro vs ace ace is in his last moments he makes a ball of light as hot as the sun and throws it at oro and oro dies

round 4 naruto vs luffy luffy is about to die zoro comes out of the woods and chops sasukes head off from behind
he moves to normal naruto but neji mid air tackles zoro to the ground and uses 64 hands of haake and kills zoro (after major damage from sasuke) luffy is lying on the ground he looks up a naruto a neji he cloughs up blood looks at naruto and like a badass says "@@#$ you" then naruto chops of his head with sasukes sword in honor of him luffy dies a difiant and badass death then neji and naruto look at eachother then smile trihumphantly the leave.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by The_argueonator 3 years ago
The_argueonator
in laws room it would be and on regular sand gaara could just turn the ground to quicksand and every one but sanji and law would drown so i dont see how we could make it a mix of both so i took the charters out in naruto's world there is no haki and in one piece world there is no charkara
Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
Wait wait wait... It takes Luffy 1-3 seconds to get into gear second but he is still faster than Naruto in normal mode. Naruto also has to charge rasen-shuricken which gives Luffy time to get into gear second. Also I chose my characters before you did so you don't get to limit their abilities. You just admitted this fight is a slaughter so I assume you realize your team cannot win.
Posted by The_argueonator 3 years ago
The_argueonator
basically Gaara and law sent out their best attack at the same time and killed each other.
Posted by The_argueonator 3 years ago
The_argueonator
answer 1: the frogs are stronger and smarter the the kracken
2. look at esp 412
3a. i am serious. You said "a fun and fair fight" if law used his room it wouldn't be that it would be slaughter
3b naruto has gotten way better at rasen-shuricken and that was Naruto clone also it was when luffy was trying to get into second gear that takes around 5 seconds which is plenty of time for naruto

4Orochimaru cant injure ace but he can distract ace long enough for neji to step in

why are you complaining i mde it a close fight and luffy got a badass ending
Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
You also never answered this, how can orochimaru injure ace? He can't end of story.
Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
Wait wait wait.. Are you seriously going to say that they during this fight law doesn't use room? I think your confused on how his ability works, he can use it anywhere he wants. There is no specific place law has to be in order for him to use room. Remember when narutos clone was fighting the third raikage? He dodged the rasen-shuricken easy. Are you telling me luffy is slower than the third raikage?
Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
Neji can't use sexy jutsu!!! Your making up random moves that your characters don't have.
Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
You do realize luffy 1 shot a kracken several times larger than any of narutos frogs right...
Posted by The_argueonator 3 years ago
The_argueonator
i will post tonight around 8 you left out many fatal flaws in each of you chosen characters i will expose and exploit and make the full 5v5 senario
Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
Wow I didn't hit the post button on my argument -.-
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