The Instigator
TheMasterofEnglish
Pro (for)
Losing
0 Points
The Contender
Ozzyhead
Con (against)
Winning
5 Points

9/11 justified?

Do you like this debate?NoYes+1
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 2 votes the winner is...
Ozzyhead
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/13/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 912 times Debate No: 61644
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (10)
Votes (2)

 

TheMasterofEnglish

Pro

RIP to the 2,976 Americans that were killed during 9/11 and to the 48,644 Afghan, 1,690,903 Iraqi and 35,000 Pakistan people that paid the ultimate price. The Americans are the biggest of the hypocrites. They have lost their respect in the UN.
Ozzyhead

Con

My opponent has taken the pro side of this debate, so I am going to do what should be easy as an American, a New Yorker, one of the states directly effected by the events of September 11th, and a human, and show why it was not justified.
No one is justified in killing 3000 people. Disagreeing with someone is not a good enough reason to kill. The only justified killing is the killing of someone who is a direct threat to someone's life and well being. One's religious beliefs aren't more important than a life. America is not the perfect country, and it has horrible flaws, and America is several years in morality behind everyone else, but that is not a justified reason to kill any American, especially everyday civilians. Everyday civilians don't dictate what happens in the world.
Debate Round No. 1
TheMasterofEnglish

Pro

TheMasterofEnglish forfeited this round.
Ozzyhead

Con


Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?
Debate Round No. 2
TheMasterofEnglish

Pro

TheMasterofEnglish forfeited this round.
Ozzyhead

Con

The original attack was not justified. Was the response to the attacks justified? Not quite but you can't justify something because of the response you are going to give. Is it an okay response to kill someone that stole your television? No. Are justified in taking a tv because the owner of the tv will kill you when you do? No.
Debate Round No. 3
10 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by MykSkodar 2 years ago
MykSkodar
The 35 000 you quote for Pakistan seems to be the number of victims of terrorism between September 2001 and March 2011. Squarely blaming the US for it is dishonest. Since its inception, Pakistan has had to contend with various extreme religious and regionalists claims which no politician has had the courage to fully address. The Pakistani secret services ISI also have a relationship with terrorism due largely to the conflict over Kashmir.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
master: And cartoon or not, it did say it all.We ran your Taliban out of afganistan in a manner of weeks.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
master: we have videos right after 9/11 that showed women and children and men dancing in the streets and applauding bin ladin. Maybe you live a sheltered life and are not exposed to the people in hardline muslim nations. And those thousands of dying muslims are mostly killed bvy other muslims who are of a different brand. Like in Iraq. Suniis against Shiites. Or don't you read the papers or news reports.
And it was America that stepped in in Bosnia to protect MUSLIMS. Grow up and get your head out of the sand.
Posted by Domr 2 years ago
Domr
Do you have the sources of the Middle Easterns who passed away? And when this happened?

If they are casualties of War, they don't apply to this situation.

The Americans who lost their lives were casualties of terrorism.
Posted by Seido 2 years ago
Seido
Nice to see that you had enough class to post this a whole two days after 9/11 itself had passed.
Posted by Mister_Man 2 years ago
Mister_Man
Your argument is strange... first of all, you've taken the pro position, implying you think 9/11 is justified, but I get what you mean by your opening statement. However, the way you words it makes it seem like America has been destroying the Middle East before 9/11 (in the same war), and the only thing the Taliban ever did was attack the WTC during the war.

The attacks on the WTC are what started the war (leaving out all the conspiracy theories) and the US retaliated by attacking the Middle East.

I will accept if you can acknowledge this is correct.
Posted by TheMasterofEnglish 2 years ago
TheMasterofEnglish
Nope that was a cartoon and no muslim, in their right mind was dancing in the streets and you are a retard if you still watch cartoons. Yep genocide is correct if you do it "Protect your self" Oh cry me a river thousands of muslims die every day and do you in your right mind think they were terrorists.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
We never had any respect at the U.N, at least not lately. And that bothers us how?We were attacked, and went war. The only strategy America has is, we win, you lose.We told the taliban to cough up bin ladin. They did not, and the rest is history.

Ask Germany or Japan how smart it was to mess with America.I guess Islam is not that smart.They were singing after 9/11, " we took down two of your buildings. There was dancing in the streets among muslims all over the world. Of course their dancing turned into wailing when we took down two of their countries.

I saw a cartoon once where a muslim was riding a camel with a sword in his hands crying ," HOLY WAR". The next caption saw him hightailing it out of there as an F-16 came on the scene, crying," HOLY SH*T.
Posted by TheMasterofEnglish 2 years ago
TheMasterofEnglish
If you have the guts, then debate.
Posted by Mike_10-4 2 years ago
Mike_10-4
We are in a state of war and war is no picnic.

As we move to some "New World Order" blending of cultures is inevitable. There are ideologies that resist change and endorse conquest, and to them, conquest is a normal way of life. For example: http://wikibin.org...

What is relatively new, we became part of their conquest.
2 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 2 records.
Vote Placed by Relativist 2 years ago
Relativist
TheMasterofEnglishOzzyheadTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:--Vote Checkmark3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:01 
Reasons for voting decision: Ff.
Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
TheMasterofEnglishOzzyheadTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: ff