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AdamCW12
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A Flat Tax is a good idea.

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Started: 12/26/2007 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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bsergent

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The flat tax is a good idea. It would charge everyone the same amount. Some say a flat tax favors the wealthy because they pay a higher percentage. Some say a flat tax favors the poor because it simplifies the system and thus makes budgeting easier.
AdamCW12

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Well let me start out by saying you have already made my main argument for me

1. Flat Tax helps the rich more than people who could actually use it.
2. While it does simplify the system that does not matter because it will be abused by the rich and our current government
3. The non-rich who this should benefit, those living below the poverty line that is, will not be helped more with this system than with the current tax system.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by jacobgunter 9 years ago
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Oh, and maybe next time we can actually have a longer debate with actual arguing. My previous post was longer then the whole debate.
Posted by jacobgunter 9 years ago
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To what Drumbum said, utilitarianism is a foolish philosophy. While it could be the ideal future of our world, it isnt going to happen. However, utilitarianism advocates one of the most horrible possibilities that I can imagine. A state ruled by a tyrannical majority. If the greatest good for the greatest # (util.) should be upheld, then it would be ideal for the lower 50.0000000001% of Americans to make laws to literaly steal all of the money from the remaining minority. It can also advocate as radical an idea as slavery. If 1000 white people and 999 black people exist, it is the greatest good for the greatest number to enslave the minority.

GKH is right, WHy should a more successful person have to pay the bills of those who arent as successful. the current progressive tax is an infringment on the wonderful thing that we know as capitalism. equal taxation is the only truly rightous way to tax, anything else denies success, and condemns it, and paves the way fro a socialistic or communistic state.
Posted by SirJDKnightCroix 9 years ago
SirJDKnightCroix
All Taxes are oppressive in nature. Taxes are forced, and not voluntary.
Posted by AdamCW12 9 years ago
AdamCW12
Well even though the debate is over while you will strive to make that much some simply cant so why punish those people. Lets start thinking about everyone instead of just ourselves
Posted by GKH 9 years ago
GKH
Why should one get punished for making more money than others. My goal is to work hard to make one million/yr not ten grand/yr. The flat tax makes the most sense, people need to start striving for more and stop wanting everyone else to pay there bills.
Posted by bsergent 9 years ago
bsergent
For the record I did not vote for myself in any of these debates. I've proven my point.
Posted by drumbum565 9 years ago
drumbum565
k so look at our current system graduated

well take this example

Billy makes 10,000 dollars a year

Bill and Sue make 100,000 a year jointly

and

William and Susan make 1,000,000 a year.

so say they get taxed 15% 20% and 30% respectively (this isn't quite accurate but it is close enough for this

15% of 10,000 is 1,500 10,000- 1,500 = 8,500 for Billy
20% of 100,000 is 20,000 100g - 20g = 80,000 for Bill and Sue

30% of 1mil is 300,000 1mil - 300g = 700,000 for William and Susan

now if it was a flat 22.5% (halfway between 15 and 30)

22.5% of 10,000 is 2,250 total 7,750 as opposed to 8,500
22.5% of 100g is 22,500 total 77,500 as opposed to 80,000
22.5% of 1mil is 225,000 total 775,000 as opposed to 700,000

Utilitarianism- do what accomplishes the most good for the most people. Lower and middle class occupy 98% of the United states.

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