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# A creator/creators probably exists

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 Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point Started: 5/2/2015 Category: Philosophy Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period Viewed: 2,314 times Debate No: 74666
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Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Lol no. My equation is, we exist, therefore we were created, therefore a creator exists. Whether we are humans, simulations or brains in a jar, it's impossible we came from nothing. A creator can be God, the programmer, the high-school kid from another dimension or a purple flying elephant. It matters not. All that matters is that he/she/it exists. We are the proof.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
probable=pro babble=false
Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
There is not enough information to compute a probability, but I can guess that your assumption is as follows:
P(us talkking today | God) = 1.
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
So, If God exists, what is the probability we would be talking today?
Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
I have explained it to you, but it would take years to teach linear algebra, calculus, and intro probability theory.

No, I don't assume the probability of god is 0. Where did I include this in any calculation?

Yes to your most recent post. You can indirectly estimate the probability of something for which a probability cannot be directly estimated by evaluating the probabilities of the consequences of that thing conditional on it. That is related to the second equation I posted in the debate.
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
You have to say IF god is real, then ...
And IF god is not real, then...
Therefore IF is more probable than IF NOT. Or IF NOT is more probable than IF.
That is how you calculate the probability of god existing.
Its not proof. Merely speculation on how probable it is.
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Or, you don't grasp what I'm saying. It seems simple to me. You keep saying I don't grasp mathematics and probability but you can't show me the error. To me its simple. If the probability of GOD (hallowed be thy name) existing is zero (to you), then no probable value can be less. You keep including that error in your calculations. No matter how many times I try to explain it. You can't include god in the calculation to prove his probability. Its illogical. If x is 0 then even infinately small is more probable.
Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
@Furyan
Maybe I shouldn't use as many colloquialisms if they will lead to misunderstandings like that. What I'm saying is that your attempts at calculating probabilities that support your position all fail because of a very basic and fundamental lack of education in elementary mathematics and probability theory. If you think your points about probability make sense (and you're not just simply trying to fool gullible under-educated people), then I'm sorry, but you don't understand how probability works.
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
you seem to think everyone cares as much about public opinion as you do. You should know me better by now. I'm not that insecure. I don't need to impress anyone. that's your objective.
Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
@PGA

You may want to read the debate more carefully. I didn't use statistical analysis or make an argument against god. I corrected Furyan's misunderstanding of probability theory.

I neither argued for, nor accept the idea that random chance explains complex events, or something like rolling a six many times consecutively. I explicitly argued that what your unstated premise there is a false dichotomy.

It does appear that you didn't even read the debate.

@ Furyan
You won't impress any educated person by throwing around numbers for values you don't know how to calculate.
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