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kenito001
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Solarman1969
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A debate is won by using facts, analysis, and refutations, not by insulting ideas

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Started: 1/3/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kenito001

Pro

The main argumentative strategy of a polarized, conservative or neo-conservative Republican is to attack their opponent by avoiding the issue at hand and attempting to criticize their arguments by stereotyping them, most of the time incorrectly.

A debate should be and is won on the basis of comparing facts and ideas, and using them to refute one's opponent. It does not matter which side is "correct" or "incorrect", however it should be judged by deciding which debater successfully constructed a case and was able to make their case hold up better than their opponent's.
Solarman1969

Con

Ha ha

this is hillarious

so we CONSERVATIVES use AD Hominem attack, innuendo , lies , distortion and what not and LIBERALS are as clean as the wind driven snow?

that is completely laughable

Democrats/ liberals typically have NO IDEAS , and simply accuse republicans of doing everything WRONG and have MAL INTENT to boot

Look at how they have DEMONIZED a good man, George W Bush.

Simply watch the elections and you will see case in point what I mean

the democrats will simply give platitudes, divide among class, race, ethnicity, sexuality and whatever else they can come up with

they say things like "republicans want to starve old people and end school lunches" and other such lies

They NEVER have real ideas, but fortunately for them, there are enough dumb TV watchers that buy their BS

Now, on this site, which is populated primariy by know it all kids with no clue, the best argument in my case never wins

Mostly, I know becuase I use hard hitting tactics and direct, tough language

Well, good- maybe I will prevent some of you kids from being turned into foolish liberals who are willing to buy the lies of the democraps.

Bottom line: a TRUE debate is WON by FACTS, not feelings

cheers

SOLARMAN
Debate Round No. 1
kenito001

Pro

"Bottom line: a TRUE debate is WON by FACTS, not feelings"
This supports the pro side of the debate. At least you didn't construct a case to argue the con side, because that would've defeated your own arguments.

Instead of making generalizations, I will simplify the debate.

I will use myself as a "typical liberal".
I will use yourself as a "typical conservative".

Of the debates that I have participated in, excerpts include:
UNICEF (a charity organization of the UN dedicated to improving the lives of children worldwide, if you are unfamiliar with it), promotes safe sex education as the best means to educating young citizens worldwide. It is the best solution to preventing teenage pregnancy without promoting it.

or analysis, such as:
"It helps, such as in the instance of the London bus and subway bombings of 2006, it makes it much easier to not only identify the perpetrators but also to find where the bombs or weapons were made or kept. This will provide not only a preemptive measure to preventing terrorist attacks but also help the US piece together evidence if any problems were to occur."

Your debates, however, feature points like:
Hers is where the EVIL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS LIES
WRONG WRONG WRONG
IT IS EVIL > PERIOD.
WRONG! WRONG ! WRONG ! NEVER NEVER NEVER !
the Guttmacher institute promotes abortion. period. they are in the business of promoting evil among the youth through early promiscuity, period.
WRONG WRONG WRONG
I say you lost the debate because you're wrong
YOU CANT , becuase YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT
BS
Your silly argument that YOU have posted COGENT arguments is laughable
you are completely wrong here
You are a stalinist and afraid of the truth
grow up
You are infested with marxist thought, my young friend.
You need to get a clue or you will end up down the road of misery

Now, although I am sure you are extremely tempted to resort to the normal bashing of a liberal society, that does not qualify in the restrictions of this debate. Yes, I myself enjoy having fun in debates by using rhetoric that is unfounded, however, I never base the validity of arguments on merely rhetoric.

The main point is that I, the typical liberal, use facts. And yourself, the typical conservative, gets angry and is incapable of debating.

Your style of debating, if used by all members of debate.org, would accomplish nothing. It would feature a few rounds of members calling each other evil, corrupted, and wrong, until the all of the rounds are completed. Then members would vote on the "debate" based on which side they agree with personally, because nothing has been accomplished by the debate. That isn't debate, that's a poll. Your style, no doubt, would fit in perfectly with opinionpolls.com. In order for your opinion to matter more over your opponents' opinion, you must be a professional or an expert in the subject. That is why debates cite professors, books, articles, and so on. The validity of each person's opinions vary, depending on how much expertise they hold. It is different for Solarman1969 to tell me that my arguments about economics are wrong than for Joseph E Stiglitz to do the same.

-The Colonel
Solarman1969

Con

your last argument is nonsensical

and does not adress my previous points

If you look at all of my statements which you post OUT OF CONTEXT, nonetheless they are ACCURATE ,albeit passionate and decisive

I consistetly use science, facts and data to back up my points

so your pathetic attempt to paint me or conservaties as other than armed with facts and data is faulty at best

This is actaully quite boring so I am going on to some real topic rather than this juvenile rant of yours

I could CARE LESS what the votes on this juvenile web site is- most folks on here are immature and incapable of handling real facts, or science or history

therefore this is mostly a waste of time

Cheers

Solarman
Debate Round No. 2
kenito001

Pro

"your last argument is nonsensical"

Please elaborate.

"and does not adress my previous points"

Your rhetoric, you mean? I disregarded your points because I said that the debate should be restricted to me as the "typical liberal" and you as the "typical conservative". Americans have done and said a lot of dumb things. I am not here to defend generalizations because there are far too many of them that cannot be covered in even 10 rounds of debate.

Anyways, when do you ever address my points? That's not your style. "Evil", "ignorant kid", and "wrong" don't count as refutations, although they are entertaining. Start a blog, solarman1969. At least there your points will be valid because there is no one to argue with you.

"If you look at all of my statements which you post OUT OF CONTEXT, nonetheless they are ACCURATE ,albeit passionate and decisive"

You say they are accurate, I say they are inaccurate. Nothing is accomplished. The point is that you are in no position to judge in that manner. Neither am I. If I use sources and facts to back up my statements, then I can judge it. Your arguments don't carry in a flow. Try the "debating tips" link above.

"I consistetly use science, facts and data to back up my points
so your pathetic attempt to paint me or conservaties as other than armed with facts and data is faulty at best"

How many did you use in the debate with me about sex education? None.

"This is actaully quite boring so I am going on to some real topic rather than this juvenile rant of yours"

Once again, your opinion. I say it isn't. Nothing is accomplished. Why is it boring? Give justification, at least.

"I could CARE LESS what the votes on this juvenile web site is- most folks on here are immature and incapable of handling real facts, or science or history"

Right back at you. I agree that most "folks" here are incapable of handling real facts, science, or history. Solarman1969 tops the list. I'm not defending ignorant liberals just because I accuse you of being an unaware conservative.

You have to admit, though, that you don't know how to properly use the term "Marxism". Read some history.

Thanks,

The (one and only) Colonel
Solarman1969

Con

you, sir, are no colonel

and this is BORING

some of us actually have to WORK for a living and dont have time for this TRIPE

good day -

Solarman
Debate Round No. 3
kenito001

Pro

"you, sir, are no colonel"
Never assume. Colonel is my name... Not a nickname

"and this is BORING"
You make it boring.

All you have to understand is that you aren't infamous because you're conservative, you're infamous because you assume that just because you say something it's correct. Try using impacts and warrants, not just claims.

- THE Colonel
Solarman1969

Con

My next few debates will require qualifications in order to argue

you kids simply bore me to no end

you make me wonder about the state of our education system today

cheers

Solarman
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Id love to , but the wife would never allow it!

- youre a cute girl

cheers

Solarman
Posted by artC 9 years ago
artC
Solarman, can we MEET the next time I'm in California?? Please??
Posted by theaceb 9 years ago
theaceb
"some of us actually have to WORK for a living and dont have time for this TRIPE"

Yeah that's why you've been in 32 debates in one month of being a member of this site. All of them lost by the way.
Posted by kenito001 9 years ago
kenito001
"Solarman didn't address kenito's case"

It takes the logical master to point that out
:D
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Solarman didn't address kenito's case, thus loses by default. Man, I sure wish you'd respond to my topics, Solarman, as I could use some wins. :D
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
the more I read the laudry list of statments you juxtapose, make more and more sense to me

its kind of funny really

and you likely wont even get what Im talking about for like 20 years or so!

ha ha

solarman
Posted by kenito001 9 years ago
kenito001
Liberals are SO dumb, eh? And he can't even beat them...
Posted by mindjob 9 years ago
mindjob
For the love of god, when will you learn that saying something does not make it true, Solarman? It really seems like the basis of every argument of yours has its roots in the classic "I'm rubber and your glue" logic that so pervaded elementary school. By that evidence, it seems as though you are the immature one unable to take good, solid facts and reason. While you consistently tout yourself as the savior of reason on this site, you've only proven the opposite. So please, prove your intellectual capacity beyond you simply saying it. Me saying I am god would have just as much validity as any of the arguments you have made thus far.
Posted by Korezaan 9 years ago
Korezaan
i agree with the below statement, as long as "dems" means "mainline democratic candidates".
Posted by righty10294 9 years ago
righty10294
avoiding the question?!?!?!? That's the dems.
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