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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/5/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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gahbage

Pro

After the contender accepts the debate, he/she proposes between 3 and 5 resolutions of varying subjects in the comments section to debate, and chooses PRO or CON for each one.

Then, the instigator will choose a resolution.

In the contender's R1, he/she will choose first or second. If the contender goes first, he/she cannot post an argument in the final round. If the contender goes second, the debate will proceed as normal.

Rounds 2-4: Debate!

Round 5: Closing rounds; instead of adding more arguments or refuting the opponent, both debaters will list reasons why they should win the debate, based on their previous arguments. Any new arguments or rebuttals posted in this round should be dismissed by the voters.
Logical-Master

Con

I think I'm gonna avoid confusion and go second.
Debate Round No. 1
gahbage

Pro

I choose Resolution 1, "Dance Dance Revolution ought not to be included in Middle-School and High-School Physical Education classes for schools that can afford it."; I am PRO. I will begin right with contentions.

Point 1: Dance Dance Revolution (DDR) may cause more injuries or accidents than other physical education (P.E.) activities that can be used in place of it.

The most similar activity to DDR that can be implemented in P.E. would probably be step aerobics. Step aerobics is almost exactly like DDR, except it does not involve a screen. They both consist of stepping in different directions. Now, if you spent too much time looking at a screen, you could have eye problems, motion sickness, or even seizures. So, comparing two activities that are virtually the same, which one would be better to have? The one that has the least risks. DDR has more risks because it is basically step aerobics with a screen.

Point 2: DDR may cause above-average weight loss in children. [1]

While this idea may seem good at first, it can also cause children who are not obese to be severely underweight. Implementing DDR in P.E. for the purpose of losing weight does not benefit the entire class (unless they are all overweight), and harms underweight children in the same way that it helps overweight children.

[1] http://www.usatoday.com...

In short, DDR should not be used for P.E. class, because it is harmful to average- or under-weight individuals, and is essentially step aerobics with risks for the eye.
Logical-Master

Con

First, I'm going to rebut PRO's case and then I'm going to present mine.

>>>RE: Point 1: Dance Dance Revolution (DDR) may cause more injuries or accidents than other physical education (P.E.) activities that can be used in place of it.

1) PRO's argument is very weak as the main problem with it is that he is insisting that Dance Dance Revolution (which shall henceforth be referred to as DDR) is more accident/injury prone than playing Dodgeball (a sport where players intentionally ATTACK each other with balls), Weight lifting (an activity that can EASILY result in serious injury or even death given how misuse of the weights can cause one to crush themselves or break their bones), Football (again, intentional physical ATTACKS on one another) and Basketball (example: FOULING). I could go on, but these are enough to establish my point. If PRO wants to keep students from playing DDR, then he should be insisting that they be kept from engaging in MOSTLY any other activity involved in PE.

2) As for the comparison between Aerobics and DDR, whereas it's true that one could indeed get motion sickness or even a seizure from DDR, the solution to this is to simply allow students a limited amount of time (as most video game manuals recommend) when engaging in this P.E. activity as spending too much time on anything (even aerobics) can be detrimental to a student.

>>>Point 2: DDR may cause above-average weight loss in children.

1) Ladies and gentleman, I'd like for you to scrutinize PRO's source carefully. Notice how there is no place within it that backs PRO's argument; that DDR can easily serve as an incentive for children to have above-average weight loss for students who are UNDERWEIGHT. Thus, with this being noted, he has no basis for his argument.

2) In addition, turn his evidence around as it actually BENEFITS my argument given that it points out that DDR is an excellent incentive to aid individuals with obesity (heck, it shows how DDR can help even those who are 200 pounds overweight).

3) Implementing DDR to help overweight children is merely PART of the benefits (more on this in my case).

Now to provide my arguments.

>>>>CONTENTION #1: Child Obesity has been a problem in terms of economics and health.

First, I would like you the take a gander at the following information presented from the official statistics concerning childhood obesity: "According to research, childhood and teenage obesity has increased by four times over the past 40 years. Childhood obesity statistics also indicate that over 70 percent of overweight adolescents will be overweight or obese as adults." (1)

Second, I would like you to take a gander at the following quote gathered from a study in Appalachian communities: "In one study of children in Appalachian communities, 2 out of every 3 children were considered either overweight or obese." (3)

Third, I would like you to observe the following information gathered from "Health in the Balance, 2005, Institute of Medicine" : "Economic Costs - In the twenty years from 1979-1991 the hospital costs for children and youth have risen from 35 million in 1979-1981 to 127 million from 1997-1991 (Preventing childhood Obesity: Health in the Balance, 2005, Institute of Medicine)." (2)

So, from these three pieces of information, we know that not only are MANY of our children (our country's/world's future) SUFFERING daily, but that this obesity is a SERIOUS economic problem as well (and given how bad the US economy is right about now, we certainly need to lose as much "weight" [pun not intended] as possible). From this, we gather that SOMETHING should be done about the common obesity problem.

>>>>CONTENTION #2: DDR is an effective means of getting people to lose weight.

Look back to my rebuttal to PRO's second contention and notice the reliable evidence he provided to back up the claim in this contention. The main idea we can gather from his evidence is that DDR can serve as a weight losing process that is fun and highly addictive. What's even more interesting is the fact that players who weigh over 300 pounds can get into it and willingly play the game enough to get in shape. This is hardly ever the case for games such as dodge ball or activities like jogging.

As Gail Woodward-Lopez, associate director of the UC Berkeley Center for Weight and Health has suggested, if DDR is implemented alongside the traditional PE methods, it has a great chance of motivating children to be in shape (3)

>>>>CONTENTION #3: DDR improves hand eye coordination, dance and rhythmic skills, and gives students the incentive to be more active in PE.

1) PRO has already conceded that DDR improves hand eye coordination, so I'll just go over the benefits to heightened hand eye coordination skills. With good hand eye coordination skills, one can become a better typist and a better driver. We must keep in mind that good typing skills are on demand for many careers. In addition, given the number of automobile accidents that occurs DAILY in the US alone, better driving skills is certainly a demand.

2) DDR can also help students improve their dance skills and lets face it, there will probably come in time in their life when good dance skills pays off. When you're in a club, you most certainly don't wanna make the mistake of looking like an idiot when you're dancing as it's assured that mostly everyone else will laugh at you. For guys in particular, showing some good dancing skills make just be the ticket to getting some action if you catch my drift.

In addition, studies indicate that Intelligence And Rhythmic Accuracy correlate with each other directly (4, 5). Given that rhythmic accuracy is just what DDR can improve, one could say that DDR can actually serve as a means of expanding ones intellectual capabilities. Given how low the US ranks in education at the moment when compared to other countries (6), going about the route of implementing DDR in schools would be beneficial overall.

Finally, DDR would serve as a means of making more students in PE have the desire to participate. We must keep in the popularity of video games as well as the impact they have on our culture and way of life. Since DDR is a video game (a VERY popular one at that), interest and participation in physical education would increase, thus allowing students to benefit from the class more so than they currently do.

Thus, for the reasons presented, I hold that DDR should be implemented in schools that can afford it.

And that'll do it for now. I now stand ready for my opponent's counter speech.

SOURCES:

(1): http://weight-loss.emedtv.com...
(2): http://www.buzzle.com...
(3): http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu...
(4): http://www.sciencedaily.com...
(5): http://faculty.washington.edu...
(6): http://kapio.kcc.hawaii.edu...
Debate Round No. 2
gahbage

Pro

Right into R3:

=My=Points====================================================================

"1) PRO's argument is very weak as the main problem with it is that he is insisting that Dance Dance Revolution (which shall henceforth be referred to as DDR) is more accident/injury prone than playing Dodgeball (a sport where players intentionally ATTACK each other with balls), Weight lifting (an activity that can EASILY result in serious injury or even death given how misuse of the weights can cause one to crush themselves or break their bones), Football (again, intentional physical ATTACKS on one another) and Basketball (example: FOULING). I could go on, but these are enough to establish my point. If PRO wants to keep students from playing DDR, then he should be insisting that they be kept from engaging in MOSTLY any other activity involved in PE."

My opponent does a good job of showing how other sports can be more dangerous than DDR. However, he does not address my main point: the fact that step aerobics is a less hazardous activity similar to DDR, and therefore is an infinitely better choice of P.E. activities.

"2) As for the comparison between Aerobics and DDR, whereas it's true that one could indeed get motion sickness or even a seizure from DDR, the solution to this is to simply allow students a limited amount of time (as most video game manuals recommend) when engaging in this P.E. activity as spending too much time on anything (even aerobics) can be detrimental to a student."

Once again, my opponent skips over an important point: DDR (or anything involving a screen) can cause general eye problems, such as the need for glasses. This is often referred to as Computer vision syndrome (CVS for abbreviation). [2] Staring at any screen for even a moderate period of uninterrupted time can result in this, so it must be minimized as much as possible. A P.E. instructor can take part in this by substituting in an activity such as step aerobics for DDR.

So in my first point, my opponent fails to argue a key contention: Step aerobics is essentially DDR without a risk for CVS; thus, it is only logical to replace DDR with step aerobics. This argument itself is enough to grant a win for PRO.

"1) Ladies and gentleman, I'd like for you to scrutinize PRO's source carefully. Notice how there is no place within it that backs PRO's argument; that DDR can easily serve as an incentive for children to have above-average weight loss for students who are UNDERWEIGHT. Thus, with this being noted, he has no basis for his argument."

Weird wording, I take it my opponent means that children who are underweight will have no incentive to do this? Regardless, they are required to participate if it is a P.E. activity.

"2) In addition, turn his evidence around as it actually BENEFITS my argument given that it points out that DDR is an excellent incentive to aid individuals with obesity (heck, it shows how DDR can help even those who are 200 pounds overweight)."

So can step aerobics, and it's not nearly as harmful.

=Opponent's=Points===============================================================

My opponent's first contention basically should be included with his second, because it is only pointing out obesity as a health problem. His second contention states that DDR is a good way for children to lose weight, to which I repeat; "So can step aerobics, and it's not nearly as harmful."

">>>>CONTENTION #3: DDR improves hand eye coordination, dance and rhythmic skills, and gives students the incentive to be more active in PE."

1) Well, I'm looking over my case, and I don't see the words "hand" or "coordination" (I do see "eye", but that was in reference to DDR risks). So I'm not sure where "PRO has already conceded that DDR improves hand eye coordination" came from. However, I'd like to point out that DDR improves FOOT-eye coordination, not hand-eye. Being skill with your feet and skilled with your hands are two different things. For instance, a soccer player may have outstanding foot-eye coordination, but have terrible hand-eye coordination when it comes to catching baseballs or footballs.

2) You can hardly call it dancing - all you do is step in different directions, with the occasional "criss-cross". If one simply wanted to practice these moves AND MORE, they could go do the "Cha-Cha Slide". And although I've never seen someone "getting some" from showing off their superior knowledge of the Cha-Cha Slide, one could probably get more action from that then DDR.

As for improving rhythmic accuracy, one could simply play a musical instrument.

3) Desirable or not, participation in a P.E. class is mandatory. And in all my P.E. classes I have never met anyone who rejoiced when the next unit was announced as DDR. A more interesting video game involving physical activity would be Wii Sports.

I'd like to sum up this argument by reminding the voters that my opponent has not addressed the overall superiority of step aerobics to DDR when it comes down to safety, and to also remind the voters of the alternatives i provided in response to my opponent's contentions.

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Logical-Master

Con

================PRO's CONTENTIONS==========================

RE PRO's contention #1:

1) PRO concedes that the other COMMON PE sports I showed were more dangerous than DDR. Ladies and gentleman, this hurts PRO's case considerably as to answer his Aerobics comparison, I'd simply say Aerobics AND DDR be included in PE, provided PRO wishes to keep the aforementioned activities. I request that PRO clarify on this matter before I continue on this path.

2) Step aerobics is a poorer choice than DDR. Whether or not it's safer, the fact of the matter is that it is not as alluring, as shown by PRO's own evidence. Thus, it is far less likely the solve the problems which I brought up in my first contention.

3) Nonsense. It is my opponent who has skipped over an important point. As I insisted in the last round, his problems only come up if one plays DDR TOO long in one sitting. The fact of the matter is that not only can a P.E. instructor make sure that no single students plays the game too long (which is much easier than hiring a teacher to conduct step aerobics), but that a group of students are not likely to experience the problems he brings up in a 45 minute class. Speaking of 45 minutes, I'd like you to take a gander at this article (1). Observe the following quote: "CVS is caused by decreased blinking reflex while working long hours focusing on computer screen." Does 45 minutes sound like LONG HOURS to you? Of course, even if I am to pacify PRO's argument and say something like "ALL PE classes go on for LONG HOURS", again, the solution is to simply have the P.E instructor limit the amount of time students spend on these machines.

RE PRO CONTENTION #2

1) Yes, they are required to participate, but this does not bring us to the conclusion that these students who aren't overweight will willfully lose an uncanny amount of weight as was the case for the obese individuals in PRO's link. There is a difference between an overweight individual losing weight and an proper weighted or underweight individual losing weight and that is that the overweight individual can afford to lose weight (hence the body will react differently and more pleasantly). One cannot say the same for underweight individuals. At any rate, until PRO provides evidence, you are not to accept his argument here.

2) I've already covered step aerobics, but just to reiterate, step aerobics isn't as addictive, thus wouldn't serve as proper motivation in order to pull off the feats cited in PRO's original article.

================My CONTENTIONS====================

CONTENTION #1: The purpose of my first contention is to establish just how much of a problem obesity has become to society, hence the need to take significant action. If PRO concedes to this, then it is his responsibility to show that step aerobics can motivate students to lose weight and that it is beneficial. Unfortunately, he has done neither of the task.

CONTENTION #2: See above.

CONTENTION #3:

1) Hmm, whoopsy. Yeah, it improves Foot eye coordination, not hand eye coordination, however, this concession is utterly meaningless as improvement of foot eye coordination (2) is still highly beneficial given that driving skills still improve (specifically usage of the break and accelerator) if there is better foot eye coordination. Remember, with better driving skills, there will be far less automobile accidents.

2) Dancing is an art form that refers to body movement usually rhythmic and to music. What I'm saying is that DDR trains one to use their body to rhythmically coordinate with the music that is playing (hence hitting arrows at every beat). I hold that if one can master this via DDR, their dance skills should improve when it concerns "dancing to a beat." In addition, through DDR, one's "footwork" has more potential. As for citing the CHa-Cha-slide, I was under the impression that PRO was to be arguing that aerobics was superior. Whether or not the Cha Cha slide is superior is irrelevant as I'm simply listing the benefits of DDR. Unless PRO can prove that the Cha Cha Slide has ALL of the benefits that DDR has, his objection is of no relevance and is to be dismissed immediately.

- As for rhythmic accuracy, yes, one could very well play a musical instrument, however, this is simply a red herring presented by PRO. If not, then PRO must prove that 'merely' playing a musical instrument has ALL the benefits DDR has.

3) Yes, participation is mandatory in a PE class, just as participation is mandatory in an upper level math class, however, students who are actually INTERESTED in either class are more likely to benefit from the education that students who are not.

As for that comment PRO made about Wii sports, this is once again a case of proving that Wii Sports possesses all of the benefits DDR has. Most importantly (in accordance with my first contention), how often does Wii Sports serve as a significant weapon against obesity?

As for his summary, just look over my points that refute his argument on step aerobics. In addition, you have no reason to consider any of PRO's alternatives since none of them even manage to have all of the attributes which DDR does. By his logic, a house which merely consist of a high quality master bedroom is better than a house which consist of a nigh high quality kitchen, a nigh high quality master bed room, a nigh high quality bathroom and a nigh high quality living room.

And yeah, that'll do it for now.

SOURCES:

#1: http://en.wikipedia.org...
#2: http://www.ddrfreak.com...
Debate Round No. 3
gahbage

Pro

-MY-CASE--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1) Aerobics AND DDR? That's ridiculous; why should two activities that cover the same things be included in one P.E. class? And since my opponent has not disagreed that aerobics are safer than DDR, it would only make sense to use aerobics whenever DDR would be considered. Thus, because of this point alone that my opponent has not challenged, DDR should not be included in P.E., because whenever it would be included, aerobics would be a better option.

2) Oh, here's a rebuttal. "Whether or not it's safer, the fact of the matter is that it is not as alluring, as shown by PRO's own evidence." So it should be included in P.E. because it is alluring? First off, I don't know many people who are fans of DDR. Second, if you want to go by more alluring, then football, basketball, hockey, baseball and soccer are all much more alluring, yet much more dangerous. So the allure of the sport does not matter - safety should be the first priority.

3) Just because the students aren't participating in DDR doesn't mean that they can't look at the screen. And staring at the screen for extended periods of time IS the cause of CVS. It doesn't even have to be long hours - 45 minutes is sufficient enough, so long as it is done consistently. Take it from someone who wears glasses.

Contention #2

1) What are you talking about? If an overweight child plays DDR for 45 minutes every day, it will have a similar effect on him as it will on an underweight or average child doing the same thing. Just because the child is physically fit does not mean he will not lose weight.

2) See Contention #1.

-Opponent's-Case--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#1: You don't have to be motivated to lose weight. Motivation HELPS, but as I have already stated, DDR is not appealing to everyone. All you have to do is participate in the exercise and use your muscles. Motivation is optional. So aerobics will do just fine in losing weight.

#3

1) DDR is step aerobics with a screen. If DDR improves foot-eye coordination, then so do aerobics.

2) I was stating that the Cha Cha Slide is more complex than DDR, yet still does not make you more attractive, which implies that DDR will do you little good if you're trying to get some. And once again, step aerobics is also stepping to music. As for more potential footwork, step aerobics uses a STEP in some cases, while DDR is a flat surface.

Playing an instrument AND participating in step aerobics gives the benefits of DDR without the risks.

3) They will benefit regardless. Like I said before, motivation is optional and helpful, but not necessary. And as for Wii Sports, it requires you to get up and move. Not as much as DDR, but is much more fun, and thus will be played more.

"By his logic, a house which merely consist of a high quality master bedroom is better than a house which consist of a nigh high quality kitchen, a nigh high quality master bed room, a nigh high quality bathroom and a nigh high quality living room."

What? That's ridiculous. How am I saying that? Please explain.
Logical-Master

Con

RE PRO contention #1.

1) If step Aerobics and DDR are the same, then why isn't step Aerobics anywhere near as popular? As dictated by my evidence which concerns the West Virginia schools implementing DDR into their PE programs, clearly DDR is preferred when it comes to making a difference in PE programs. Clearly, there is a difference and that's namely the fact that players play at their own convenience (which they can easily customize thanks to the customization involved in the DDR game play) (not at the convenience of some PE instructor yelling out commands), are actually competing against other players (again, not something involved in step aerobics)(the CPU can count as a player), is rhythm focused, and players essentially playing a video game. Hence, they are not the same. Since PRO has not clarified on the matter concerning the other P.E activities being more dangerous, we are to agree that for those activities to be kept, DDR must be allowed.

In addition, PRO accuses me of not contesting the point that aerobics is safer, but if I recall correctly, I did that as far back as round one by pointing out that both games are potentially dangerous if we are to follow PRO's line of reasoning.

2) Um yes, allure counts. If safety were the ONLY matter to consider, then students should not even be allowed to participate in step aerobics given the possible injuries that could occur. The only way to insure the safety of the students would be to cancel out P.E all together (given that no matter what physical activity players engaged in, they could all suffer from something such as a heart attack.

As for there not being many people who are fans of DDR, PRO has already given us reason to believe that there are many fans of DDR, hence his evidence he presented in R1. In addition, I've provided evidence to show that the sport is popular enough for schools to implement into their P.E programs, as shown by my evidence with the West Virginia schools. However, if you still doubt the game's popularity, then observe this:

"The success of the Dance Dance Revolution series resulted in Guinness World Records awarding the series 5 world records in the Guinness World Records: Gamer's Edition 2008. The records include, "Longest Dance Dance Revolution Marathon", "Most Widely Used Video Game in Schools", and "First Video Game Recognized as an Official Sport", when on December 9, 2003, the country of Norway gave "Machine Dancing" official recognition (1)."

Finally, football, basketball, hockey and soccer be more alluring while more dangerous does not lead us to the conclusion that the allure of the sport does not matter. Obviously, it matters a great deal, otherwise, as PRO has pointed out, safety would prevent them from being placed in schools.

3) Doesn't matter if students who are not playing are looking at the screen. This point would only be effective if students were looking at the screen for many (and I mean MANY) hours. Of course, according to PRO's logic, people should get this eye problem merely through watching a two hour movie in a movie theater, yet clearly, they do not. Audience, just make sure to look at PRO's own wiki link (it's the same as mine) as it confirms what I'm stating in terms of the amount of time one has to look at the screen.

RE PRO Contention #2

1) False. By PRO's logic, overweight people wouldn't be able to go on fasts, yet clearly, they are able to go long periods of time without actual eating as there body can afford to do that. Same thing here: Overweight individuals could afford to play the game without suffering from the effects that underweight people would suffer from if they were to play the game as much. Of course, even if you don't buy my argument here, it's like I said, PRO has given us no evidence. There being no evidence is crucial because if PRO were right, with DDR being as popular as it is, why haven't we heard of consistent outburst of anorexia due to DDR? Surely these schools which are already implementing DDR would be well aware of this.

2) See contention #1.

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MY CASE
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CONTENTION #1. No, one technically doesn't have to be motivated to lose weight just as one can lose weight against their will (such as if they are trapped in a cave with nothing to eat or a similar circumstance). However, in general, people lose weight due to motivation (whether it be wanting to look good in pleasing the ladies or simply because they happen to be having a lot of fun doing a physical activity (as both PRO and myself have EMPIRICALLY shown . . . incidentally, no such evidence could be provided for step aerobics)

And yes, DDR isn't appealing to EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet, but then again, neither is step aerobics, so this fact establishes nothing.

CONTENTION #2. Again, see above.

CONTENTION #3.

1) I've already shown the VAST differences between DDR and step aerobics, so dismiss PRO's baseless assertion here.

2) PRO has done nothing to disprove the arguments I provided to show that DDR would improve your dance skills, thus you are to agree that it does in fact improve dancing skills. As for the CHa CHa Slide, even if it will help in improving dance skills moreso than DDR, it does not possess ALL of the benefits of DDR and is hence not superior. As for step aerobics, the arrows on the screen don't direct one to keeping up with the individuals beats to the music, thus step aerobics wouldn't benefit in training an individual how to truly dance to the "beat"

As for playing an instrument AND participating in step aerobics, these are two separate activities. Clearly, PRO is against efficiency. In addition, all this manages to establish is that PRO agrees that step aerobics is NOT as beneficial as DDR.

3) I've already covered motivation above as well as the previous round, but even if we are to agree that it is optional and helpful, then why not accept the improvement that it provides. If PRO agrees that students are better off being motivated (as he does agree that it is beneficial), then why deny it? PRO never once provides a reason.

As for Wii Sports, PRO concedes that it doesn't require students to get and move as much, but says it's more fun and more popular. In response, I simply tell you to look back at my evidence concerning the popularity of DDR. Keep in mind Wii Sports hasn't become an official sport, schools aren't implementing it as a part of education, there are no world wide tournaments being held, and it has won no Guinness World Records for its success.

As for clarification on my analogy, PRO has attacked my position concerning the benefits of DDR through using individual alternatives. He never meets my benefits by simply showing how ONE system is more beneficial than DDR on it's own (such as him saying that the CHA CHA slide beats DDR in terms of dancing, how playing an instrument beats DDR in terms of improving rhythmic abilities or how WIi Sports provides more entertainment than DDR). Merely citing one system to counter each benefit does not prove that it is more beneficial than DDR as a whole. In this round, PRO attempts to change that by suggesting that one could play an instrument AND do step aerobics, but I've already pointed out the problem with this position.

Thus, I now await the CONCLUSION round of this debate.

SOURCE:

#1: http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 4
gahbage

Pro

I thank my opponent for this quite spirited debate.

CLOSING ROUND

Reasons to vote PRO:

1. My opponent assumes "popularity over safety", essentially. This, of course, is untrue. If a game is very fun, but highly dangerous, it would not make it into a P.E. curriculum. Furthermore, my opponent assumes that I ONLY consider safety. This is also false; I am just putting safety ahead of allure, which is what would happen if it was up to the board of education. School curriculum must put the safety of the students ahead of the popularity of the activity. My opponent's flawed reasoning is one point as to why CON should not win the debate.

2. My opponent misread my arguments. He states, "Overweight individuals could afford to play the game without suffering from the effects that underweight people would suffer from if they were to play the game as much". That means that underweight people will suffer risks if they were to play DDR consistently, which is what I was saying. He also, as I stated in my previous point, misinterpreted me to mean "Allure does not matter; only safety does", when I really meant, "Safety is more important than allure". My opponent has misinterpreted my arguments, causing flawed rebuttals, and a reason to vote PRO.

3. My opponent ignores the fact that step aerobics implements the same motion as DDR (as I have stated in previous rounds), and thus can make one lose just as much weight as if they were playing DDR. My opponent is, instead of comparing "apples to oranges", comparing "red apples to green apples", in a sense, by adding "motivation". By skipping over this fact, my opponent has produced a flawed argument, and therefore you should vote PRO.

4. While comparing the Cha Cha Slide to DDR, the original reason way to contrast them AS A WAY TO ATTRACT WOMEN, as shown by my Round 3, rebuttal 2. However, my opponent, in his last round, now compares ALL aspects of the Cha Cha Slide to DDR, which is straying from the original point and makes my case look bad while never really enhancing his own. By going off topic and avoiding the real comparison between the two, my opponent has created a flawed rebuttal, and thus, you should vote PRO.

5. CON makes as unfair argument by comparing Wii Sports to DDR in terms of credentials such as world records and tournaments. My opponent overlooks the fact that DDR has been around for MANY more years than Wii Sports. This causes a flawed comparison, and therefore an invalid argument.

By these 5 points, you can see that my opponent has proposed flawed arguments by using invalid comparisons, misinterpreting my arguments, avoiding the topic of some contentions, and using unrelated examples for his own points. Because of this, it should be a clear vote for PRO.
Logical-Master

Con

IMPORTANT NOTE: Alright gentleman. As noted under initial parameters of this debate, neither of us is to rebut what the other said during the final round. Thus, I shall tell you why I won based on the 3 debate rounds I engaged my opponent.

Closing statements: I believe that my opponent and I have exhausted all avenues of the subject at hand. I maintain my position that "DDR ought to be implemented in schools that can afford it" is correct and that my opponent has failed to demonstrate how his position overcomes the following problems:

#1. PRO's case suffered from the fact that he'd essentially be condoning the sports which we had agreed as being more "dangerous" than DDR. He cannot accept the other sports (as he has done in the round) AND make the argument that DDR should not be played in schools due to the overall lack of safety..

In addition, PRO's arguments on Step aerobics being a safer version of DDR hold no water as PRO not only had to bring up other activities to counter the benefits I said applied to DDR, but I also pointed out the vast differences between the two activities.

Finally, PRO failed to prove that DDR was even dangerous. He tried citing a source that would suggest that players can get serious eye problems, but wasn't aware that the source suggested that users would have to be watching a screen non stop for SEVERAL HOURS (most unlike a HS/MS P.E. Course, especially given that many students would have to take turns). I had also pointed out that the P.E. teacher could simply see to it that students were not playing for too long (something which PRO doesn't address).

#2. Regardless of whether or not you buy my arguments that DDR would not cause anorexia, the fact of the matter is that PRO made this claim and was thus burdened to prove it. His source couldn't confirm this and he never provided a single shred of evidence to back up this claim, thus there is really no reason for you to consider it.

#3. PRO conceded that obesity was a serious problem that needed to be dealt with, yet couldn't provide a single compelling reason as to why "a system which he empirically showed was effective in dealing with obesity" is inferior to a system which "he could not muster even a shred of evidence for in order to prove that it is just as (or more) effective in dealing with obesity."

#4. PRO provided a bunch of individual activities that could measure of the benefits I have shown come from ONE activity. As I have pointed out, this not only advocates inefficiency, but it also does nothing to establish that step aerobics is superior. Why should one have join the band, learn the Cha Cha slide, practice wii sport, and do step aerobics, when they can simply go to their P.E. class and get all of my benefits simply through merely playing DDR. PRO's case never imagined to overcome this.

#5. I've contested that interest and motivation produce better results, yet as I've pointed out, PRO gives us no reason to believe that schools shouldn't pursue better results (mental and physical education).

Now there were other points made in this debate, but these are the most important and are what you should consider when you determine your vote. Thus, I implore you to vote for my stance.

I thank my opponent for the debate and the audience for reading. Take care. :D
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
FALSE *guitar solo*
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
I did read it. And you failed.
Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
Well, I don't. Unless you're saying it doesn't relate to the debate, to which I'd say that you didn't even read it.
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
This quote succinctly represents the fail of which I speak. "First off, I don't know many people who are fans of DDR. "
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
You are just completely fail. Like seriously. What are you talking about?
Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
How?
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
I'd like to offer my congratulations to gahbage for consistently and regularly proving that he is infact, teh phail.
Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
I made a pretty good argument for bumrushing it in 15 minutes xD

Please take your time LM, I won't be back for a few days.
Posted by LR4N6FTW4EVA 8 years ago
LR4N6FTW4EVA
And yeah, PRO for that one.
Posted by LR4N6FTW4EVA 8 years ago
LR4N6FTW4EVA
Now I read it, in all of one hour.
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