A less known composer such as Dvorak should be considered as great as a composer such as Mozart
Hello, I am for this argument. The majority of people in the world (excluding the countries of Africa) have most likely heard of one of the great composers and one of their pieces e.g. W.A.Mozart- Symphony no.40 in G Minor. Mozart is someone who is considered a musical genius who was a prodigy and had wrote over 500 pieces of music. This is the reason why someone like this is considered a Great Composer.
I believe that someone such as Dvorak should receive more credit for his works which I consider to be highly influential to early modern Classical music. In my opinion, you are not a great composer for writing 500 pieces of music, but for the quality of that music.
To compare these two example composers. I emplore that you listen to a piece of music from each of these composer e.g symphony no.40(Mozart) - scherzo cappriciouso/ Slavonic Dance no.2 ( Dvorak).
1) Mozart is not considered great because he wrote a lot of music. He is considered great because he was able to write everything and most everything he wrote is great. He wrote symphonies, concertos, piano works, chamber music, masses, serious opera, humorous opera, and so on. He wielded a wide array of compositional assets in his arsenal. He could create catchy Italianate melodies that seemed to progress in an inevitable fashion. He was a pioneer in using a variety of "topics" into single movements, such as the learned style or fanfare, or alla turca. He was able to create multiple themes and motifs in a single piece of music and layer them in ingenious ways. His music may seem old fashioned at times because he wrote in the galant-style, but that's a testament to the era he lived in, not his ability. He was escaping the baroque era's highly ornamented style with an enlightenment-inspired simplicity. The amazing thing about Mozart is how much Mozart you know without realizing it. I recommend the following pieces:
Laudate Pueri: https://www.youtube.com...
Queen of the Night: https://www.youtube.com...
Symphony 40 in G minor: https://www.youtube.com...
Requiem in D minor: https://www.youtube.com...
2) Dvorak is a well known composer. However, his influence is largely questionable. He was known as the first American composer, but his music failed to escape the trends of European music. Also, directly comparing the two is not an indication of their greatness, but a comparison of musical eras. Mozart wrote in the classical era. Dvorak wrote in the late romantic era and was able to study the music of great composers such as Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Berlioz, Mendelsson, Chopin, Liszt, Wagner, etc. And those composers studied Mozart!
Well, I can see that I am against a very strong opponent. This is not a bad thing. Quite the opposite indeed.
Anyhoo... I would to justify my statement by saying that some of the greatest people in whatever they were/are great in, had learnt from the people before that person. For example Dvorak had learnt from many great composers such as Berlioz, Mozart, Tchaikovsky and Beethoven (who was between the transition of the classical and romantic era) etc. Because of this, dvorak had incorporated many things into his compositions which was developed by composers such as Mozart and Beethoven. Practically everybody has of the motif in symphony no.40, which is even used in cheap ringtones.
I have been doing some research on Dvorak. It seems that Dvorak had a very prominent role in the development of American music during the late 19th/early 20th century. Pieces such as the Festival March has been said to be a great influence towards the development of some of America's later marches as well as many other countries. Dvorak also have much more successful and influential pieces e.g. scherzo Capriciouso which contained several techniques such as motifs which was somewhat developed by Mozart and others. Just like Beethoven, Dvorak wrote 9 symphonies, many of which are well known (especially the 'new world symphony'). Dvorak was born as a Roman-Catholic and was raised to be religious and because of this, he wrote many pieces of work such as his requiem which had affected many later religious based works.
Slavonic dance no.2- https://www.youtube.com...
Dvorak was great at incorporating things like you said. however, he was not unique in this. incorporating folk tunes into one's work was very in vogue at the time.
To think of using of motif as a compositional technique is pretty weird. It's akin to think of using phrases to write a novel. I'm curious what you mean by motif as a technique.
If Dvorak was so great, why couldn't he get past his 9th symphony?
When you make the consideration of who to study in music history, you have to consider how much that figure stands out. Dvorak had such a wide array of capable contemporaries across the globe. Mozart had a handful of decent composers who wrote at the same time. You don't see people talking about Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf much these days.
Anyway, back to topic. I would like to point out that I have only been using Dvorak as an example, because I find that he is a good example. Please note that I do not dislike Mozart, in fact he is one of my favourite composers amongst others such as Tchaikovsky and Faure. Recently, I have been learning about Mozart and I have been analysing his pieces as part of my coursework. One of the pieces includes the Requiem in D which made make think about if Mozart knew he was going to die, and was like:”Better work on my requiem”... then doesn’t finish it.
To PSYDUCK, I ask you who your favourite composers are and what pieces you enjoy the most?
My favorites...tough to say. Mostly I just like the popular guys. Not a fan of serialism though
Random pieces I like--well-known variety:
Beethoven's pathetique https://www.youtube.com...
Beethoven's pastoral: https://www.youtube.com...
Debussy's Clair de Lune
Tchaikivsky's 1812 Overture
Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain
Wagner's Tristan und Isolde
Stravinsky's Rite of Spring
more obscure variety:
Schumann's Ziguerleben: https://www.youtube.com...
Yuquijiro Yocoh's arrangement of sakura: https://www.youtube.com...
variations on a Korean folk song: https://www.youtube.com...
I was kind of hesitant to start a list because I knew I'd never be complete. I'm stopping here simply because I have to stop. So much great music left out... Maybe, if you ask me a more specified question, I can better answer you.
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