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A monotheistic God exists

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Started: 11/17/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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This is going to be a serious, groundbreaking debate regarding the existence of a monotheistic God. I will be arguing that yes, there is a God. Con will be arguing that no, there is not a God.

The burden of proof is split between Pro and Con. No wrong information. No semantic or troll arguments. No fallacies. If an argument is proven wrong, it is thrown out.

Good luck to my opponent.



I accept, and look forward to your arguments.

I will NOT hold the belief that a monotheistic God exists until proportional, sufficient evidence is provided and presented.

For instance:

There is a box. We haven't opened the box yet. So, we have no sufficient justification to prove a claim that the box contains anything.


This goes for the claim that a monotheistic, omniscient, omnipotent God exists.
Debate Round No. 1


You derived them from specific sources. Did you read or watch them?

"Before that moment there was the infinite past"


gone by in time and no longer existing.
"the danger is now past"
synonyms:gone (by), over (and done with), no more, done, bygone, former, (of) old, olden, long-ago

However, that supernatural occurence has already passed.

"It is also proof that the laws of physics pertaining to the creation of the universe, prior to its birth, either did not exist, or weren't previously apllied"


Laws of physics (Aerodynamics, etc) did in fact exist prior to its birth. And if the laws of physics involved with the Creation of the universe weren't previously applied during it, otherwise, the universe would NOT exist. So therefore, you can not say that.

"The Universe and all that we see in it, is the result of a chain reaction of cause and effects, emanating from a first single cause"

So, the Universe "began as a tiny dense ball no larger than a molecule. Then matter integrated together and exploded, creating a never-ending universe". What energy caused matter to emerge into one and explode?

Can't be God. If so, he could have just created the Universe itself.

Application of Laws of Physics? Yes.

"Only a sentient being could have changed what there is"


Like you said, the cause of it was the application of laws of physics.

"In the absence of God, there would be eternity of emptiness"


1. Only 140km away from our house here in Tenerife the Canary Island of La Gomera continues to face forest fires. In total 5000 people have been evacuated from towns in La Gomera and neighbouring Tenerife. As fires spread they come ever closer to Garajonay National Park endangering the laurel forests described by regional agricultural spokeswoman Nancy Melo as "incalculable ecological value" ( The forest, declared a national heritage site in 1986 is said to date back 11 million years. It includes a very rare type of subtropical forest that used to cover most of Europe.

2. After experiencing a forest fire here in Tenerife, more news of forest fires surfaces around the globe. More than a dozen forest fires have spread across the western states in America. One blaze alone destroyed over 28,000 acres between two national forests in Washington State. Hundreds have fled across many states including Washington, Idaho and California. According to New York Daily Times As of Wednesday, nearly 43,000 wildfires had been reported in the U.S. this season, burning a total of 6.4 million acres, or 10,000 square miles. Firefighters continue to fight the blaze.

3. Over a year since the Fukishima Daiichi power plant accident in Japan in March 2011, mutations have been discovered in butterflies. Adult butterflies exposed to the radioactive material have developed smaller wings and abnormal eyes. Six months after the first initial collections of butterflies, a further group collected showed a mutation rate of double that of the butterflies from the previous generation. The study will continue to measure the ongoing effects of Fukishima.

4. Hundreds of fish have been killed in the Spike Islands, Widnes. This environmental disaster has wiped out an entire stock devastating anglers. Anglers claim the slow response of the Halton Council to the algae bloom caused the deaths of upwards of 1,500 fish worth thousand of pounds. The council has rejected this allegation. Fish species involved in the loss include carp and breem who died from a lack of oxygen caused by the algae bloom.

5. In other news the BBC has reported an increase in the rate at which Arctic ice is melting. New results indicate an increase of 50% compared to the initial 900 cubic km a year recorded in 2004. Some areas in Greenland have recorded an ice loss of 3m a year.

6. In Sydney, a female humpback whale and her calf have reportedly been hit by a ferry travelling to Manly. Both were spotted sporting scars shortly after the ferry was taken out of action after hitting an "unknown object". As the humpback population continues to recover after extensive commercial whaling it is a reminder of the other risks marine life face.

7. In other whale news, an extremely undernourished female fin whale has died after becoming stranded on a beach in Cornwall. He whale reportedly had a number of other injuries spanning its body and a decision had be made to put down the animal but it died of natural causes before anything could be done.

8. In Brazil, animals living in areas of rainforest cut off from larger areas of jungle by roads etc are dying off faster than previously expected. Each patch of forest visited had on average only 4 of the 18 types of mammals surveyors expected. This comes as bad news for conservation efforts protecting various species. Scientists are urging for better conservation.

9. In Chad, Elephant poaching is continuing as poachers slaughtered more Elephants on August 3rd. This time 4 or 5 elephants were killed and at least 2 injured. Among the injured is a mother elephant, vets plan to track her to extract the bullet from her leg and assess whether she has enough milk for her calves.

10. Maui"s dolphins are still endangered despite New Zealand"s" conservation efforts. There only remain 55 Maui dolphins (Cephalorhynchus hectori maui) on the coastline. Less than 20 are breeding females with numbers declining and low reproductive rates making the increase in numbers difficult with the ever-present danger of fishing nets. Measures are under scrutiny from the International Whaling Commission while efforts continue to increase numbers.

Does God do anything about those? No.

I eagerly await further arguments to rebutt. And also, I thank my opponent for this friendly debate.
Debate Round No. 2


othercheek forfeited this round.


Unfortunately, my opponent has forfeited this round. I hope he will at least make an attempt to debate next round.

Debate Round No. 3


I shall address this concisely:

1) Either energy and matter are eternal, or an omnipresent consciousness is eternal. The first one doesn't make any sense. Scientists today, both evolutionists and creationists, say that the universe has not always been there. And that space and time, matter and energy had a starting point.

2) God doesn't necessarily have to abolish all misfortunes. In fact, it says in the Bible that suffering is something we will all experience for good reasons:

Romans 5:3-5
More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

1 Peter 5:10
And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

Romans 8:18
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

So the argument that God wouldn't allow suffering is invalid.



albert_the_great forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4


I extend my contentions. :(


albert_the_great forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by MikeNH 3 years ago
othercheek lost already - HORRIBLE form. How lazy does one need to be to just say "here's the proof" and link to some websites without presenting any actual arguments. The evidence is quickly growing that he is in fact a "Poe".

Poe's Law:
"It is an observation that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of religious or other fundamentalism and its genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane." (1)

Hell, this comment has more work put into it than his argument...

Posted by m2dnight 3 years ago
I am an atheist, and I thank God for it. LOL
Posted by albert_the_great 3 years ago

"eternity of emptiness"?

The Universe began as a tiny dense ball no larger than a molecule. If matter merged together and exploded in a place that did not exist,

how is there matter in a place that does not exist?
Posted by albert_the_great 3 years ago
And according to the bible (A premise of Christianity), he made space at the Jordan river for Jesus to cross. Why doesn't that happen anymore?
Posted by dtaylor971 3 years ago
R.I.P DEBATE. I can't comment in all capital letters? :-|
Posted by InVinoVeritas 3 years ago
"The burden of proof is split between Pro and Con."
"No fallacies."

LOL, irony.
Posted by MysticEgg 3 years ago
No. I'd advise you to look at this:

I promise you: No one looking for a "groundbreaking debate" will accept if you appeal to ignorance in the first round!
Posted by othercheek 3 years ago
Fine. I am dividing the burden of proof between us.
Posted by MikeNH 3 years ago
Is this god all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly benevolent?
Posted by othercheek 3 years ago
God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
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