A persons environment influence choices more than free will
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But a majority of choices are based off of reaction. In example, a man attempts to kidnap another mans girl. The other man will usually attack that person without thinking. Or a starving man who has been constantly taught that stealing is a horrible crime, might steal food or even rob another man; while he even kills the man in the process. And Why did he kill the man? Because he had flinched, and the robber was nervous because this was something he had never done before.
I believe it's more temptation that environment. You can be born in an environment where robbing for survival is deemed OK. It doesn't mean that it causes you to do it. It's not the people's fault that you chose to rob. You chose it. I believe however that in a culture where it's OK to rob it's a lot more tempting to do, because the societal values there imbed that in the culture. But I definitely think that one always has free will, no matter what the circumstance. What I see here is mostly one that has to do with temptation than with environment. I could have been born in the ghetto. I would not have stolen anything still.
Another thing that you stated is that choices are made by Temptation. Temptation is created by trying to avoid doing a habit because it is wrong, and habits are directly formed by a person's environment. In example, a person may be struggling with lust. Now that person is on the internet and no one is home (keep in mind that this is the environment), and he has the choice on whether or not he will view Pornographic material (again, the environment has clearly influenced the choices available). Now, this temptation to view porn was not something this man was born with, because in order to have obtained this habit, he had to be introduced to it. Maybe he was sexually assaulted by a women in his youth, maybe his father had a collection of pornographic material, or maybe one of his childhood friends introduced porn to him. All these possibilities have one thing in common, they are all environmental factors that contributed to the habit which he has learned. And the Same is for Alcoholics, people who over eat, studious people, etc. Yet keep in mind that it is his environment that has given him these choices, and if he chooses to view porn it's mainly because their is no one there to see him (environment). And if he chooses not to view porn, than he has sided more with free will. But keep in mind that a majority of the time, people will keep true to their habits, which is directly affected by a persons environment.
Thank you too. But I would like to say this. Did you believe that "temptation" and "desire" are the same? If so, then that's incorrect. Temptation and desire are not the same. Ever heard the saying, "He that looketh at another woman lustfully is already committing adultery in his heart?" That's because temptation and desire are not the same. Many people came from broken homes and backgrounds, but they still managed to hold strong. In an environment where crime, gangs and porn is the norm, the temptation will be there. Temptation is persuasion basically. It sounds good. But that's where the line is drawn between being tempted and having desire. I know you're not religious, but think of it this way. Jesus did not sin, but he was tempted. He never had a heart to do sinful things. Most people born in the ghetto don't have a desire for sinful things, and I mean sinful not necessarily in the religious sense, but in vices. Most don't. But they are tempted often. Of course sinful things such as fornication, drinking, revenge when angered are appealing, but it doesn't translate to doing it.
Also, not every person is religious. Growing up in a religious background is another form of an environment, even becoming religious in later years is a person's environment. And although people claim to be religious, they don't follow the bible one hundred percent.Why? Because maybe they were taught about God sporadically and rarely. and that environmental factor will play in if they are deciding a choice based off of "Religious Morality".
But even die hard Christians have sinned. A very devoted catholic man has committed adultery before. And that was because "It Was In The Moment". He saw the naked woman and they were alone (environment) and almost without thought he slept with her. He didn't really do it on purpose, he just reacted off his environment. It's like when a mother sees her kid getting bullied, she will react in a certain way and probably fight the bully. We react (and react is another way of saying made a choice) off of our environment.
Lastly,(please keep in mind that any statement regarding religion is not intended to promote or harm the ideologies expressed by the religion being commented on) Jesus can not be included in this argument. Since we never fully followed Jesus Christ around, there is no way to validate your claim "Jesus never sinned". Therefor, your statement is an opinion. Again, Thank you for the debate and I really enjoyed reading your arguments.
Pardon me, I forgot you were a Deist. I apologize. To rebute what you said about God being a God of fear, you have to remember one thing, He doesn't rule by fear. He believes in a relationship based on trust. When you betray God, it's very hard to forgive that (it's not impossible). God doesn't want anyone in Hell, however He cannot accept sin. It doesn't mean He likes to send people ot Hell, as God has no joy over the death of the wicked. Jesus lived a completely holy life.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con made a stronger argument and how environment affects how we view others and ourselves which affects our decisions. Free will may be an illusion, as most people make Heuristic decisions based on their childhood influences from their environment. Most decisions appear to be based on a person's childhood environment.
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