The Instigator
Bound_Up
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ViceRegent
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A universe with a God has no more morality than a universe without one

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Started: 2/7/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Bound_Up

Pro

It is said that without God, you can have no objective morality.

Suppose that you do have a God.

He says people should act in certain ways. So what? What makes him right?

And whatever rule you use to determine why his kind of being must be right about such things, how do you know it's correct?
ViceRegent

Con

Because God defines reality, including right and wrong.
Debate Round No. 1
Bound_Up

Pro

What do you mean by he "defines" it?

And why is he right about whatever that is?
ViceRegent

Con

God determines what it and everything will be. There is no ontological reality apart from God.
Debate Round No. 2
Bound_Up

Pro

So did he do a good job?
ViceRegent

Con

He did a perfect job. He could do no less.
Debate Round No. 3
Bound_Up

Pro

Do you meant that no matter what he did, it would have been perfect?

So, if he'd set moral injunctions different from or opposite to the ones we're used to, those would also be perfect?
ViceRegent

Con

Yes.

He could not, as His moral commands flow from His character.

So, with God, we have objective, knowable, perfect morality. Without God, we have no morality. Thus, you lose the debate.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ViceRegent 1 year ago
ViceRegent
I would and ask you to prove your claim.
Posted by Bound_Up 1 year ago
Bound_Up
Would anyone like to accept the position of the Con as it's so far been presented and continue this debate?
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
A billion Atheists are moral without gods. It is important not to confuse objective morality with absolutist morality. The latter is a hallmark of religious doctrines, which make statements of the type "thou shalt not". But an objective morality, i.e. a morality based on the facts of reality, does not need to be of that type. All it needs in order to be objective is to refer to some facts of reality as source of moral judgments. Because of this, atheism is perfectly compatible with objective morality. Morality does not come from authority( that is where laws come from) it comes from our ability to make rational choices.
Posted by WhineyMagiciann5 1 year ago
WhineyMagiciann5
I cant grammar today:)
Posted by WhineyMagiciann5 1 year ago
WhineyMagiciann5
So if god defines what is right and wron and god is also all good. Then it is fune to commit mass genocide???
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