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AOW, Turkey vs Israel

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Started: 7/14/2015 Category: Arts
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greatkitteh

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CATEGORY 2 DEBATES


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Turkey
PwrIndx: 0.4335
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MANPOWER
Going beyond military equipment totals and perceived fighting strength is the actual manpower that drives a given military. Wars of attrition favor those with more.


Total Population: 81,619,392
Available Manpower: 41,637,773
Fit for Service: 35,005,326
Reaching Military Age Annually: 1,370,407]
Active Frontline Personnel: 410,500
Active Reserve Personnel: 185,630


LAND SYSTEMS
Tank value includes Main Battle Tanks, light tanks and tank destroyers, either wheeled or tracked. AFV value includes Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) and Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs).


Tanks: 3,778
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 7,550
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 1,013
Towed-Artillery: 697
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 811


AIR POWER
Includes both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft from all branches of service.


Total Aircraft: 1,020
Fighters/Interceptors: 223
Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 223
Transport Aircraft: 439
Trainer Aircraft: 276
Helicopters: 443
Attack Helicopters: 59


NAVAL POWER
Aircraft Carrier value includes dedicated "helicopter carrier" vessels. Total naval strength includes all known auxiliaries as well.


Total Naval Strength: 115
Aircraft Carriers: 0
Frigates: 16
Destroyers: 0
Corvettes: 8
Submarines: 13
Coastal Defense Craft: 50
Mine Warfare: 32


RESOURCES (PETROLEUM)
Despite the advances made in battlefield technology, oil remains the lifeblood of any fighting force as well as local economy.


Oil Production: 53,000 bbl/day
Oil Consumption: 710,000 bbl/day]
Proven Oil Reserves: 270,400,000 bbl/day


LOGISTICAL
War is as much a battle of logistics - moving man and machine from points all over - as it is direct combat. Labor Force reflects possible wartime industry strength.


Labor Force: 27,910,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 629]
Major Ports and Terminals: 9
Roadway Coverage: 352,046
Railway Coverage: 8,699
Serviceable Airports: 98


FINANCIAL (in USD)
Regardless of military strength in numbers, war is still driven by financing as much as any one leader or weapon.


Defense Budget: $18,185,000,000
External Debt: $359,500,000,000
Reserves of Foreign Exchange and Gold: $117,600,000,000
Purchasing Power Parity: $1,167,000,000,000


GEOGRAPHY (in km)
Geographical values primarily figure into a defensive-minded war (i.e. invasion).


Square Land Area: 783,562 km
Coastline: 7,200 km
Shared Border: 2,816 km
Waterways: 1,200 km

Prodigy0789

Con

Thank you for allowing me to accept this debate. It will be a fun one!

##'s:
MANPOWER
Going beyond military equipment totals and perceived fighting strength is the actual manpower that drives a given military. Wars of attrition favor those with more.

Total Population: 7,821,850
Available Manpower: 3,511,190
Fit for Service: 2,963,642
Reaching Military Age Annually: 121,722]
Active Frontline Personnel: 160,000
Active Reserve Personnel: 630,000

LAND SYSTEMS
Tank value includes Main Battle Tanks, light tanks and tank destroyers, either wheeled or tracked. AFV value includes Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) and Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs).

Tanks: 4,170
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 10,185
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 650
Towed-Artillery: 300
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 48

AIR POWER
Includes both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft from all branches of service.

Total Aircraft: 684
Fighters/Interceptors: 242
Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 242
Transport Aircraft: 101
Trainer Aircraft: 247
Helicopters: 143
Attack Helicopters: 48

NAVAL POWER
Aircraft Carrier value includes dedicated "helicopter carrier" vessels. Total naval strength includes all known auxiliaries as well.

Total Naval Strength: 66
Aircraft Carriers: 0
Frigates: 0
Destroyers: 0
Corvettes: 3
Submarines: 5
Coastal Defense Craft: 56
Mine Warfare: 0

RESOURCES (PETROLEUM)
Despite the advances made in battlefield technology, oil remains the lifeblood of any fighting force as well as local economy.

Oil Production: 3,800 bbl/day
Oil Consumption: 240,000 bbl/day]
Proven Oil Reserves: 11,500,000 bbl/day

LOGISTICAL
War is as much a battle of logistics - moving man and machine from points all over - as it is direct combat. Labor Force reflects possible wartime industry strength.

Labor Force: 3,493,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 8]
Major Ports and Terminals: 4
Roadway Coverage: 18,290
Railway Coverage: 975
Serviceable Airports: 47

FINANCIAL (in USD)
Regardless of military strength in numbers, war is still driven by financing as much as any one leader or weapon.

Defense Budget: $17,000,000,000
External Debt: $96,300,000,000
Reserves of Foreign Exchange and Gold: $80,740,000,000
Purchasing Power Parity: $273,200,000,000

GEOGRAPHY (in km)
Geographical values primarily figure into a defensive-minded war (i.e. invasion).

Square Land Area: 20,770 km
Coastline: 273 km
Shared Border: 1,068 km
Waterways: 0 km
Debate Round No. 1
greatkitteh

Pro

August 1st.
Turkey Continues it's expansionist policies , While Israel Starts Pulling America into conflicts and Debt.

August 4th
Israel Starts abusing Turkish Minorities Turkey Then Bombs A Jewish church at Haifa.

August 5th
Israel Declares war. Turkey Declares war.

August 7th
ISIS is destroyed via Bad American Healthcare. nothing Is Changed

August 8th
Turkey Begins Mass Manufacturing, Calling reserves, and Cyber war.

August 10th
Turkey pays Egypt 30 Billion To blockade the Suez Canal, And deploy troops in Egypt.

August 11th
Turkey pays Syria 50 Million to deploy Troops there. Turkey Proceeds to buy Cyber defenses from china, North Korea.

August 12th
Lebanon is Paid 5 Billion To place Troops. Using NATO membership as a leverage, Italy Allows Turkey to place troops There.

August 13th
10,000 Troops in Egypt Quickly March in the Gaza strip With only 4 Casualties, But makes 200 Friends. The Gaza Strip rather Side with turkey then a Abusive Israel.

August 14th
An Fast Army takes Zefat. First, Turkey blockades all water sources in Israel, then proceeds To send in a Scout force of 10 Special forces, 5 snipers. When The cost is clear, Massive Artillery Fires causing a blackout, In which Special forces arrive To kill Off The Military. (With Night vision Goggles) When Israel's army arrives, a fleet Arrives from Italy, Picking off Tanks via Battleships.

Casualties
Turkey: 1 Towed artillery, 15 Special Corps, 4 Elites

Israel: 10 Tanks, 400 men, A lot of electricity. The Wounded Must evacuate In a different city, hospital Generators Are down.

August 15th
Turkey Re-Stockpiles, Enforcing supply lines, gathering troops, Training troops.

August 17th.
Turkey Lessens NK sanctions, Buying 20 Missiles. The Missiles are deployed in Egypt.

August 18th
With the new supplies, Turkey Invades Elat. Elat is Fired upon; Losing many Infrastructure. Minor waves of men then Attack the police. When The military arrives, Turkey Uses the air force, Bombing The city. Turkey proceeds To group the men with Large amounts of Infantry, Then Fires Missiles. Whatever remains of Israel's Deployed Runs in panic, And are easy pickings With Planes. Drones Shot down some Planes, And Turkey cannot Pursuit.

Casualties
Turkey: 30 Planes, 100,000 men.
Israel: 20 Tanks, 20 Drones; 60,000 men.

August 19th
Turkey takes advantage of Russia's "Shine east" Policy. Turkey buys 3 s-400s, 1 S-300 , and 5 Su-35s, to handle Drones.

Prodigy0789

Con

Thank you for allowing me to take on this debate. Now, the real war starts.

August 19
The Israeli government issues a 24 hour long announcement on all cable providers and radio stations, "All wounded need to be taken care of and if possible, evacuated to Haifa. Aid drops will take place in the coming days.

August 20
Sitting in his bunker, in light of recent events, Benjamin Netanyahu consults with IDF leader Gadi Eizenkot, and they formulate a plan.

August 21 (22:56)
Operation נקמה
El Al Flight 4322 has stopped in Tel Aviv to refuel, then continuing on its journey to Turkey. While it is stopped, the IDF boards the plane because they received a planed "bomb threat." Under the cover of panic, Shayetet 13commandos (20), board the luggage compartment of the plane and lie in wait.

August 22
Israeli IDF cyber forces activates sleeping malware inside of the sonar radar at the naval base in Antalya, making it seem lke there is a very real and close threat to the coast of Turkey. While the Turkish military is focusing on this, Flight 4322 is making its way to Ankara. At 02:32, the luggage compartment opens. 50 Shayetet 13 commandos deploy wingsuits and guide themselves to the countryside outside of the city of Adana, where they pull their chutes. The opening of the luggage compartment is seen as an insignificant malfunction and the flight continues.

August 25
Since their has been no visible movement from both sides, Israel decides to set up a forward operating base at Haifa. The Israeli Navy heavily mines the waters outside of the coast that are considered still part of their national domain. When that task is completed, the Iron Dome Missile Defense System is set up, effectively blocking Haifa from any attacks from aerial projectiles.

August 30
Operation Quid Pro Quo
At 07:00 hours, 50,000 men, 200 Tanks, 500 AFV's, and 40 Towed Artillery set up behind a hill outside of Zefat. As soon as the sun appears on the Eastern Horizon, 30 F-15E Strike Eagles take up position above Zefat, finding opposing fighter jets over Zefat. They engage in aerial combat, but the Turkish fighters are no match for the U.S. made fighter jets. Once they give signals to the ground troops they move in. Turkish drones see the mobilization and relay the information to the ground troops. Over the next few years, many military strategists may argue about the outcome of the battle, but for Israel saw this as something to capitalize on, a victory. Israel relied not on manpower, but the advanced technology of its fighting vehicles to ensure victory. The military immediately turns toward treating the wounded from this attack and the last.

Casualties:
Israel:
82 Tanks
245 AFV'S
24 Artillery
27,896 Men
11 F-15E Strike Eagles.

Turkey:
18 Fighter Jets
38,786 Men
200 AFV
45 Tanks
The rest of the men are either taken hostage or desert.

August 31
While the city is under siege by the Israeli military, the forces in the South take to fortifying the cities on the southern border and placing mines along the coast.

September 3
Having recouperated from their recent losses, the Turkish military tried to shell the City of Haifat with their battleships. They were unaware of the advanced mines, and lost some ships. Even though the Iron Dome Defense System is one of the most advanced in the world, some of the shells still got through and resulted in small civilian and military losses.

Casualties:
Israel:
237 Citizens
183 Military Personnel
27 AFV's
4 Tanks

Turkey:
4 Frigates
3 Submarines
17 Patrol Craft

September 5
The Battle of The Sea

The past skirmishes and battles have resulted in a stalemate, each side unsure on whether or not they would like to take action. Tired of waiting and afraid to give up their current advantage Israel decides to send out a fleet to confront, and hopefully eradicate the Turkish fleet attempting to bombard the coastal cities. 25 F-16 Fighting Falcons, 2 Dolphin II Class Submarines, and the Hetz and Kidon Missile boats are sent to confront the Turkish fleet, along with 15 Apache Helicopters. In the end Israel barely manages to destroy 3 quarters of the fleet, while the other heavily damaged ships flee the battle zone. Israel also fired Jericho II missiles to destroy the major ships. The results of the battle are shown below.

Casualties:
Israel:
13 Fighting Falcons
1 Dolphin II Class Submarine
1 Missile Boat
7 Apache Helicopters
187 Men
4 Jericho 2 Missiles

Turkey:
5 Submarines
6 Frigates
378 Men
16 Fighting Falcons
4 Missile Boats

Over all, what decided this battle was the large amount of training the IDF has received, and the advanced modifications on missiles, radar, sonar, and all weapons. Without the American made equipment, Israel would have been rendered useless.

September 10
As of now, the Israeli coast is free of Turkish Fleets. Now, Israel will look toward setting up a better defensive perimeter around their nation. It seems to appear that the Turkish government websites have been defaced and replaced with Israeli propaganda about the ongoing conflict. Israeli sympathists in Turkey are enraged, as are the citizens of Israel. There will be blood.





Debate Round No. 2
greatkitteh

Pro

September 12th
NATO member France and Germany cobdem The USA for working against It's own Group.

September 13th
Troops in Italy, Akko, Gaza strip, re-group

September 14th
Turkey "admits" Israel has aor Advantuge. Israel is tempted And Raids Akko by air, But the s-400s are ready. Israeli Planes are shot down, And retreat to Haifia.

Casulties:
Israel : 20 Drones

September 15th
Turkey raids ashqelon, with most Troops surrendering without A fight. Troops are Intorrogated and Few Key cyber Passwords arw aqquried. Prisoners are set free to Cuba.

September 16th
Turkey Buys A Coubter to Israel's US plabes: the Eurofighter Typhoons. Bombing Haifa, US planes try to fight. The s-400s Distract most of it, So Dogfights are won.

Casulties;
Turkey: 10 Planes, 20men
Israel: 15 Planes, 5 Men

September 17th
Cyber defenses from china kick in, sparig a few sites . the media potarys ISRAEL as Zionist.

September 19th
OPERATION EUROHAM
Haifa Is under Attack Simoutaniously with the West bank. Israel has restricted acesses In Palestine, So aassive army Full in Quantity Is used. Turkey bought 5 MIG-27s from serbia (Cheaper), And 2 s-400s from Russia. Turkey also Bought The North Korean Anti-tank missles (best in the world).

Having restricted acess, The west Bank is Captured. Plaestinians Stay instead of Escaoing, Turkey Allows them to Have freedom as long as Turkey gets full access. Palestine agrees.

Haifa is Harder. The EuroFighter Typhoons Kill many drones, but Turkey can transport less troops. Even so, The s-400s and anti-tanks Put Israel at bay. Haifa Is surrounded but the resultig battle is a tie. However, Turkey gets Tatical Win

Casulties:
Turkey: 50,000 men, 20 plabes ( 4 of which are Migs), 1 s-400, 2 Anti-tanks, 10 Tanks.

Israel: 70,000 men, 40 Planes (7 are american), 20 Drones, 15 Tanks, 5 Armored vechicles.
Prodigy0789

Con

Sorry kitteh, the war debate curse did me in again. I just don't have the time to spare to formulate an argument. Sorry.
Debate Round No. 3
greatkitteh

Pro

September 20th

Without a leader, Israel surrenders.
September 25th
PM greatkitteh procliams "The moon has set. Rise the Sun of turkey, Rise The fire, Rise the brave men, Rise it all; It was great. It was a solutution to all problems. No Israel, No problem, would I say, but we have No problem, The word fades, Like israel. The stars of night leave, The Moon`s are bright, And moon gives light from Sun, Sun Created. Every child can procliam, the reign of terror is over, But we have no terror. We have no Child, As the boys we spent are men or dead."
Prodigy0789

Con

Prodigy0789 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
greatkitteh

Pro

September 1st
PM Greatkitteh Is Remembered Hero and Leaves Turkey.
Prodigy0789

Con

Prodigy0789 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by greatkitteh 1 year ago
greatkitteh
I am Still in NATO, So you can't expect western Help eather Way. Syria would Much rather back me then you, I didn't fight 4 wars with syria.
Posted by Prodigy0789 1 year ago
Prodigy0789
You have bought missiles from NK, making yourself a political pariah in the world. Also, you have made friends with Syria, despite hundreds of years of strained relations. Nevertheless, I will take this into account and form my argument.
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Vote Placed by Rayze 1 year ago
Rayze
greatkittehProdigy0789
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Reasons for voting decision: forfeit by Israel so Turkey wins. However if Prodigy had not forfeited then Israel would have won
Vote Placed by tejretics 1 year ago
tejretics
greatkittehProdigy0789
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit and decisive Turkish victory.