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soontobelawyer
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Abbortion should be illegal

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/6/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,283 times Debate No: 1438
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soontobelawyer

Con

If killing is Illegal then why is killing babies in the wound legal what if your mother had an abbortion for you see all you have to do is give the baby up not kill it.
hattopic

Pro

First off, I'm not entirely sure what position you're taking in this debate. The topic is "Abortion should be illegal", and you took the con position in the debate, meaning that your position is 'Abortion should be legal'. However your opening argument states:

"If killing is Illegal then why is killing babies in the wound legal what if your mother had an abortion for you see all you have to do is give the baby up not kill it."
Though your statement is somewhat hard to understand, I extrapolate that you are against abortion. Since this is just the first round I won't rebut your arguments now, but I will make some arguments of my own.

1) It's impossible to make abortion illegal.

Abortion is defined as:
"The premature termination of a pregnancy; may be induced or spontaneous (miscarriage)" (A).

Miscarriage is defined as:
"Spontaneous loss of an embryo or fetus from the womb." (B)

(I'll assume I don't have to define spontaneous as well)
Since abortion can occur by miscarriage, which is natural, not induced, it is impossible to make it illegal, just as it is impossible to make a disease, virus, or other unintentional bodily ailment illegal.

2) Induced abortion in this country has never been fully illegal. There are always cases in which abortion is required to preserve the life of the mother. (C)

3) The abortion of fetuses in rape victims is morally justifiable.

4) Legal abortion is necessary to prevent deaths. Before Roe v. Wade in 1973 it was estimated that around 5000 women died each year due to complications illegal abortions. (C)

5) Abortion prevents children being born into unwanted, or unstable environments. 93% of all abortions occur in situations where a child is unwanted. A majority of abortions take place with women who are single. A plurality of abortions occur in situations where the mother, or family has an annual income of less than $30,000. (D)

That's all for now, I have several more arguments, but I'll introduce those in Round 2 if necessary. Looking forward to your next argument.

-Matt

A) http://fz.fertilityzone.net...
B) http://www.barbadosivf.org...
C) http://feminist.org...
D) http://www.abortionno.org...
Debate Round No. 1
soontobelawyer

Con

So how do you agree with killing new born babies its not just that but its how they never get a chance in life like you did they never got to see anything they got killed for no reason at all killing is illegal abortions should be illegal
hattopic

Pro

At this point it's very clear to me that you don't know what abortion is. I'm curious as to whether or not you even read my arguments where I clearly defined it for you. You assert that abortion is the "killing new born babies". It's not. See my above arguments for the correct definition of abortion. It appears that you haven't made any new arguments, so I'll address those you've made thus far.

1)Killing is wrong
2)Abortions occur for no reasons

So. Your first argument was: Killing is wrong.
I asserted that this kind of killing is necessary.
And so you said "Killing is wrong".

Your second argument was that abortion occurs for no reason.
I addressed that with arguments in my first round.

Since I've rebutted your two arguments I'd like to point out that you failed to answer any of my arguments. I'll assume that you concede the following points:

-It is impossible to make abortion illegal.
-Abortion has never been fully illegal in this country.
-The abortion of fetuses in rape victims is morally justifiable.
-Legal abortion is necessary to prevent deaths.
-Abortion prevents children being born into unwanted, or unstable environments.

Since you agree with me on all of that, I can't see any arguments that you'll be able to make in your final round. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you'll say something like "Killing is wrong".

You're really not at a developmental stage where you can make reasoned structured arguments, I suggest that you wait a couple of years and then try debating then.

No harm meant though. Perhaps you could try debating in a safer more favorable environment, online with people six or seven years your senior probably isn't a good idea until you feel more comfortable with debating

-Matt
Debate Round No. 2
soontobelawyer

Con

soontobelawyer forfeited this round.
hattopic

Pro

Alright, so my opponent conceded their last round without ever making any arguments, so I'd call this a clear cut victory.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Clynne22 9 years ago
Clynne22
Abortion in many cases is sad. However, if they didn't have abortion as an option, think of all the children in this world who would be raised unwanted, and abused.
It's horrible to think of that way, but it's true.
I think that everyone should practice safe sex so this doesn't happen, but a good majority of women don't. They just risk it. What about Rape victims that are pregnant? it's not the child's fault, but maybe for any number of reasons the victim couldn't care for the child. Then it may end up having a terrible little life. Health risks are also involved when some women become pregnant, in a pregnancy that is life threatening, often times abortion is crucial. Something to think of.
Posted by hattopic 9 years ago
hattopic
My sincerest apologies for your loss.

In referral to your second comment however, it appears it was copied verbatim from the Wikipedia article on abortion, except of course the quoted text you were referring to from the debate.
Posted by soontobelawyer 9 years ago
soontobelawyer
An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death. This can occur spontaneously or accidentally as with a miscarriage, or be artificially induced by medical, surgical or other means. "Abortion" can refer to an induced procedure at any point during human pregnancy; it is sometimes medically defined as either miscarriage or induced termination before the point of viability.[1] Throughout history, abortion has been induced by various methods and the moral and legal aspects of abortion are subject to intense debate in many parts of the world
Posted by soontobelawyer 9 years ago
soontobelawyer
I'm sorry guys just when I researched a great argument I got a call that my parents were in a bad accident my mom didn't make it so I was to depressed to look at the computer
Posted by Debater2008 9 years ago
Debater2008
Your opponent was either joking or is four years old.
Posted by hattopic 9 years ago
hattopic
I'm astounded that my opponent got any votes at all
Posted by hattopic 9 years ago
hattopic
Oh, and you spelled abortion wrong.
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