The Instigator
bettabreeder
Pro (for)
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The Contender
i_know_all_and_i_will_win
Con (against)
Losing
2 Points

Abe Linoln was a not the best president as people say

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bettabreeder
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/5/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 669 times Debate No: 48440
Debate Rounds (5)
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Votes (1)

 

bettabreeder

Pro

I think that Abe Linoln was not the best president as people say. If you decide to debate with me you will pick Con stating he was a good president.

Enjoy
i_know_all_and_i_will_win

Con

It seems like first round is acceptance so
Best of luck and let the best debater win.
Debate Round No. 1
bettabreeder

Pro

Here are my reasons why I believe "honest" Abe was bad at running in office:

Declared War on a nation that wanted freedom from the USA

Declared war on a Nation that wanted peace (that's considered today as terrorism)

Imprisoned and killed Maryland Legislators and secessionist to stop the state to secede

He suspended the writ of habeas corpus without the consent of Congress (as required by the Constitution).

Blocked of Confederate ports, without a declaration of war

He forced Generals to burn down cites and states.

around the end of the war he forced the Union Army to kill prisoners

These are why I think Abraham Lincoln was not the best president as people say. You can start to debate with anyone listed.
i_know_all_and_i_will_win

Con

Voters before I start I want to tell you something. It is that my opponent did not but his sources thus marking him down for that.
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Argument-:
Website 1- In the war he kept going a persevered even though he had to carry one generals who weren't ready to fight, assassination threats, biking among Cabinet members, a lot of people life lost, and opposition from groups such as the Copperheads, you would not be able to do that, it must have been so hard for him. If he would have not have gone to war to free the slaves than there would be slaves in this time or another person would have fought back. What is he supposed to do sit back and do nothing.

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Websites used:

Website 1- http://rogerjnorton.com...

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Rebuttals:
Since my opponent went first he did not get a chance to Rebuttal me so I will not do that to him. Just want it to be fair.
Debate Round No. 2
bettabreeder

Pro

bettabreeder forfeited this round.
i_know_all_and_i_will_win

Con

Extended arguments, hope my opponent returns.
Debate Round No. 3
bettabreeder

Pro

I'm sorry about the forfeit

In website #1 you had said that if he didn't go to war slavery would still exist.

Slavery still exist in the United states during the Civil War. The government still let states keep slavery. Slavery would also die off too.

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i_know_all_and_i_will_win

Con

i_know_all_and_i_will_win forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
i_know_all_and_i_will_win

Con

Vote CON.
Debate Round No. 5
5 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 5 records.
Posted by i_know_all_and_i_will_win 3 years ago
i_know_all_and_i_will_win
I am feeling a little better. Sorry about the forfeit.
Posted by i_know_all_and_i_will_win 3 years ago
i_know_all_and_i_will_win
Sorry but i am a little sick. i will not be able to debate.
Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
Radical Republicans and Dems were the cruel ones, not Lincoln
Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
Them and the Dems
Lincoln was the most rational politicans on the Union side in all of history
Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
Blame the Radical Republicans for that, not Lincoln
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Geogeer 3 years ago
Geogeer
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Reasons for voting decision: Neither side really developed their argument. However Pro flushed out his argument by showing a list of atrocities without con really refuting his points. Neither side compared him to any better/worse president to confirm their view.