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Abortion Is Morally Justified And Should Remain Legal

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/25/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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KV

Pro

I have returned from my hiatus. I've been quite busy with school and as a result gained two losses via forfeiture, consequently I have made this new account because those two loss are not represenative of my debating skill. None the less I'm ready to get back into this.

The resultion is fairly straightforward. Remember legality does not axiomatically imply morality and vice versa.

Morality- principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

1. Acceptance and other preliminaries.
2. Constructive case
3. Rebuttals
4. Further rebuttals/ conclusion.

Good luck to to whomever may accept :).

lannan13

Con

I remember you from this past summer and am intregued by you.

I accept and look forward to a great debate.
Debate Round No. 1
KV

Pro

KV forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

Contention 1: Self-Awareness and the value of Human Life.


One of the arguments for abortion is that the fetus is not self-aware, but the fetus becomes fully aware during the 24th week of Pregnancy, which is why many abortions in the 3rd Trimester are illegal. (http://www.scientificamerican.com...) Many people believe that is the qualifications for the starting of a FDH (fully developed human) is when the creature is self-aware, but this has many flaws. One being that in cases of sleep and in cases of comas. Under these situations the person is not self-aware, does this mean that they are no longer a FDH until they have awoken? However the person’s ability to be self-aware is irrelevant to their personhood as it is an inherent capacity for self-awareness.


"In fact, philosophers often use the terms self and person interchangeably: a capacity for self-awareness is necessary for full personhood.” (http://socrates.berkeley.edu...)


If that is true then we can see that it’s degrading as different levels of self-awareness would vary across the board. Meaning that certain people like that of “special” peoples and those in different medical conditions would not be considered FDH and be up for “abortion” depicting as such in the Unwind Trilogy by Neil Shusterman. Meaning that they would also be considered less of a person than the average American. With the quote bellow we can see that people are people because they are human, not due to something they gain nor loose in their lifetime, so this can work all across the board in this debate.


"Humans have value simply because they are human, not because of some acquired property they may gain or lose in their lifetime." (Scott Klusendorf, "Advanced Pro-Life Apologetics" Biola University lecture notes)


By accepting the legality of abortion we can see that we are endorsing that a human life is disposable as Pope Francis called it the “Throw away culture.” We get rid of the unborn like they are unwanted pickles on our Hamburghers from McDonald’s and just imagine the horror of never getting to see the light of day? When we look at our stages of life we can see that from it was you there at conception and you’re the same now (though taller and more mentally developed) and we can see that it was you at birth and you are here debating me, so we can see that it was you in the womb, not the body of something that would later become you. This means that once you were fetus, if it is wrong to kill you now, then it was wrong to kill you then. (https://bearspace.baylor.edu...)


In the end we can see that at the least a fetus has the same FDH levels that of a person in a coma or asleep.


Contention 2: Aftermath effects.


In China, women their generally tend to have the world’s lowest rates of breast cancer, but the numbers have been skyrocketing so the Chinese government launched several studies into the incident and has found that an abortion has the chance to increase the rate of breast cancer after an abortion by 600%! This study was backed by the New York City Science Advisor to the Coalition of Breast Cancer/abortion, Joel Bind. Bind has stated that the link found between the two is that of a cigarette link to lung cancer. (http://www.naturalnews.com...) Dr. Jane Orient has found that the reasoning behind this is that estrogen increases by 2000% during the end of the 1st Trimester which in turn increases vulnerability to estrogen-fueled cancers and that a full pregnancy decreases the risk of milk producing stem cells to divide into that of cancerous cells. (http://www.sciencedirect.com...)



As we can see from above is that there is a direct corrilation between abortions and breast cancer as the statistics show that it's near 1 abortion per breast cancer incident.

They have also found that abortion causes PASS (Post Abortion Stress Syndrome) which leaves women in mental anguish similiar to the effects of shel shock. (http://www.abort73.com...)
Contention 3: Life of the Mother

In 2012, the Dublin Declaration on Mental Healthcare reached a ground breaking finding that abortion is not necissary to save the life of a mother as 140 scientists observed this study. They released the following findings.

-“As experienced practitioners and researchers in Obstetrics and Gynaecology, we affirm that direct abortion is not medically necessary to save the life of a woman.

-We uphold that there is a fundamental difference between abortion, and necessary medical treatments that are carried out to save the life of the mother, even if such treatment results in the loss of life of her unborn child.

-We confirm that the prohibition of abortion does not affect, in any way, the availability of optimal care to pregnant women.” (http://www.lifenews.com...)

Debate Round No. 2
KV

Pro

KV forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended.
Debate Round No. 3
KV

Pro

KV forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended.

Thank you and please vote Con!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by lannan13 2 years ago
lannan13
@Ashburn: Challenge accepted.
Posted by Asburnu 2 years ago
Asburnu
It would be extremely interesting to see a debate on this subject where religion isn't brought up at all. Can it be done?
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