Abortion Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
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The fetus is genetically homo-sapien. That is a fact. So Yes the Fetus is a human.
Do they have rights?
Whether the Fetus has rights which for the sake of argument i will agree to. Does not matter. Because one right the Fetus does not have the right to. Is use someone else's body to survive.
Bottom line. Women have the undeniable right to control their own body. To say a women must be forced to give up her body to let the fetus survive is similar to saying I should be forced to give my Kidney to my dying child if I'm the only one viable to do the operation. No one should be legally forced to use their body's to ensure the survival of another person or fetus in this case.
It is not murder. Let me ask you this question. If someone pulls the life support plug on someone. Did they murder them?
No. They simply let them die.
One more thing. You are not okay with Abortion even in the case of Rape? Can you defend that more? That's a very daring thing of you to say.
Let's break that down:
Life: Literally the namesake of the pro-life movement, this shouldn't need explaining, but just by listening to the people that founded this country you have acknowledged the unborn's right to life.
Liberty: Here's where you may say, "Gotcha women have liberty so they can do what they want with their own body!". Wrong. Here's why, let's say you straight up shoot someone, okay? Is that expressing your right to liberty? No? Why? Because it violates a law? Because you infringed someone else's right to liberty? It is easy for you to accept this as not being liberty, so then why is killing an unborn child any different? Women and men need to be responsible while having sex so abortions never have to happen in the first place. That is the choice women have. Taking a life because you messed up is selfish. The "I can do whatever I want with my body" thing is a lie anyways, suicide is illegal, cocaine is illegal, crack is illegal, meth is illegal, and why? It's because they harm you, right? Then why isn't that ever put under the "I can do whatever I want with my body" argument ever? It's because it's simply wrong to do those things. Also if women can do whatever they want because it's their body, than why do they have to go to clinics to abort the fetus? I thought they could do what THEY want to their body, how does this hold up when you realize it's not even them doing it it's a "doctor"?
The Pursuit of Happiness: This somewhat ties in to what I previously stated, because as the unborn child how would you ever pursue happiness without being born?
And also abortion in the cases of rape, I feel that it is still morally wrong to have abortion in these cases, because you're not killing anyone lesser than in other abortion cases. What's different about these cases is that women really never did get to choose to have this child. That's why in these cases I think abortion is okay, because the woman honestly never had the choice.
No we dont have the right to shoot someone because that is called murder and its against the law.
I have already explained to you that you are not killing the unborn fetus.
Suicide is not illegal. There is no point in making a law against suicide because the person that does it would be dead. I believe you are referring to physician assisted suicide. Which is illegal in many states for many reasons.
And you bring up these drugs being illegal is a bad argument when you are talking to me. Because I think that every drug should be legal. So I disagree with the law on that standpoint.
And if a women really wanted to. She can stick a coat hanger up her uterus and kill the fetus like whats been done for decades. You realize that their are pills for abortion? The first 9 weeks? So a physician wouldn't be necessary for many of these cases.
You keep bring up these rights. The fetus does not have the right to use the women's body without her consent. And the women has the right to do what she wishes with her body.
And as for your last paragraph. I'm a little tired right now so perhaps I am misinterpreting in which case I apologize. But you begin by saying its wrong and then last sentence you say you think abortion is okay? Which one is it?
Secondly in your first statement you said:
"Do they have rights?
Whether the Fetus has rights which for the sake of argument i will agree to. Does not matter."
"You keep bring up these rights. The fetus does not have the right to use the women's body without her consent. And the women has the right to do what she wishes with her body."
These are conflicting because you literally said the opposite of what you originally said. Not to mention the women's "consent" argument which is completely wrong since humans are biologically wired to reproduce. One thing you are missing is that women and men HAD the choice unprotected sex is how you have children. You don't have to have unprotected sex you CHOOSE to, there's the choice once you involve the life of an unborn child the choice is gone you are literally killing a human. Do you believe in equal rights? All humans are equal. As you said in your first argument "is an unborn baby a human?The fetus is genetically homo-sapien. That is a fact. So Yes the Fetus is a human." So what you're saying is that a fetus is lesser and because it can't think for itself it can be killed.
Also these rights are UNALIENABLE meaning there is no way under US law that these can be taken away, so why does that not apply here to you? Is it because the mother is more important than the fetus because she has had years (which by the way she wouldn't have, had she been aborted) to grow up?
Humans weren't biologically engineered to have their young killed that shouldn't even be choice. Point is once you involve the life of another human the liberty isn't yours anymore.
Now to clarify my statement I was saying in cases of rape where the women honestly had no consent THEN abortion is necessary, in all other cases it is wrong, even in that case it is wrong, but we need it in cases of rape only. That is the only situation where I understand how abortion is a viable option. Abortion is wrong.
Nothing I said was contradictory. If the fetus has rights, that is regardless to the fact that the fetus does not have the right to use another womens body without her consent.
Please tell me how because humans reproduce, therefore a women does not have the rights to her own body?
Okay lots of things i have to address in this paragraph.
The women and man had the choice on unprotected sex. Even if this is true and correct, It does not matter. The women has the right to her own body. And being pregnant does not all of a sudden make you lose your bodily rights.
I agree. That All humans are equal. We actually agree here. Every human has certain rights, and every human does not have certain rights. One of these rights all humans dont have, is living off another persons body without consent.
The rest of your paragraphs are mostly saying the same thing, in which i give the same reply. Women have the rights to their own body. No one should be legally forced to use their body's to ensure the survival of another person or fetus in this case.
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