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Abortion Should Be Upheld, While The Death Penalty Should Be Outlawed

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Started: 12/29/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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salespino

Pro

Abortion:
I stand in firm affirmation of the continued right to Abortion because the intent of the Constitution does not protect the unborn. Thus, the Due Process Clause and a penumbra of the Bill of Rights protects the pregnant women's right to privately choose to terminate her pregnancy.

Death Penalty:
The constitution declares that no person in the U.S. Jurisdiction should be subject to inhumane punishment. The killing of a person is, at its very nature, an inhumane act. Thus, the Death Penalty should be outlawed.

While these are only two arguments, I am prepared to defend them and present others.
RMK

Con

There is no argument here. You answered your own debate with the following statement: "The killing of a person is, at its very nature, an inhumane act."

From conception, a person (because you are aren't you?) begins to develop the very inner workings that allow you to be the living, functioning being that you are now.

The heartbeat, which proves the development of the brain, can be heard during an external ultrasound as early as 6 weeks. That's the same heartbeat that keeps you sustained to this day. From conception, it has been proven (by science) that a person (again, because you are aren't you?) moves. Movement through it's own physical ability, not devine intervention of motherly prompting. Why the movement? Scientists have began a movement to believe that these movements are a way of daydreaming. Blips of thought that connect the thought process to the ability to physically move.

If you support the death penalty, then when is a life not a life and who are you to be the judge of that? More importantly, if you believe what you stated, what is the difference between a mother killing her infant son/daughter upon birth and the killing of her son/daughter while in utero?
Debate Round No. 1
salespino

Pro

Evenif we accept your definition of life, the intent of the constitution (as found in Roe vs. Wade) does not protect embryonic life. It only protects those in its jurisdiction. The embryonic life is not under the jurisdiction of the government because the a woman's decision to carry her pregnancy to full term is a private one not one decided by the government. You ask "what is the difference between a mother killing her infant son/daughter upon birth and the killing of her son/daughter while in utero?" Well the difference is this: the child's right to life is protected once born because it is now under Government jurisdiction.
RMK

Con

Do you know what was the biggest mistake in congressional legislature of the 20th century is according to past and present members of Congress?

Roe vs Wade

A life is a life, plain and simple. It does not matter whether that life is in or beyond the womb. I do not need a government agency to declare that for me or to have "jurisdiction" over a life upon birth.

Take the Scott Peterson trial. He has been charged with double murder and is awaiting the death penalty for two murders (mother and unborn child). This contradicts both of your points and the Constitution because the mother was with child.

Even though the mother is "in charge" of her own body, she does not have the right to end the life of another living being.

Also, why must I pay my tax money to support abortion? Many of the facilities that perform abortions have had some form of government assistance...whether it is with medical supplies or facilities.
Debate Round No. 2
salespino

Pro

salespino forfeited this round.
RMK

Con

I guess I made my point. Please refer to the above argument when voting. The debate topic is a contradiction in itself.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
As for the death penalty, please show me where the Constitution says "no person in the U.S. Jurisdiction should be subject to inhumane punishment.". After that, please show me how lethal injection is "inhumane"? Inhumane is a big word that should be reserved for describing the crimes most who receive the death penalty committed.

Most who have received the death penalty committed crimes where they slowly tortured and killed innocent people. Lethal injection is relatively quick and not nearly as tortuous.
Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
Abortion is legally the "choice" of the mother, but what about morally? Even setting aside the arguments about when life begins and all, procreation takes TWO people. I've never been made aware of a woman who impregnated herself. Why should the father of the fetus have no say in the matter? It's IS, after all, half HIS creation.

As it currently stands, a woman can choose abortion on a whim without consulting the father who may very well want said child. On the other hand, she can choose to have the child and compel the father to pay support for a child HE didn't want. When there is an 18 year compulsory financial commitment involved, why should the father not be consulted? If a fetus is truly not a person and abortion is a simple procedure, why shouldn't father of said fetus be allowed to compel an abortion of a fetus he has no desire to support?

If the decision is solely the womans, then the financial commitment should be as well. That's means no compulsory child support for an un-wed mother. It means no extra government money for a welfare mother of 6 who has another child to increase her monthly "paycheck".

What I am saying is if women want to be the SOLE decision maker on this issue, then they need to accept SOLE responsibility for their decision.
Posted by brotherpatriot 9 years ago
brotherpatriot
This is an old arguement, debate.

My thought, when it comes to the children. Put the criminals in a cage with a father of a harmed child. Fitting punishment.
Posted by lazarus_long 9 years ago
lazarus_long
Awfully hard to debate on two topics at once - why not separate these?
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