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CAPLlock
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Dave_82
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Abortion are immoral

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CAPLlock
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/20/2012 Category: Society
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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CAPLlock

Pro

This is intended as an intelligent debate.

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BOP on BOTH parties.

R1 is acceptance only. By accepting you are argeeing to my terms.

Questions go in the comments.
Dave_82

Con

First off, I would like to thank my opponent for the challenge and I look forward to a good debate. I would start off by asking pro what kind of specifics we are talking about. Any kind of abortions, (rape, incest, etc)? Also, are we talking about morning after pills or just abortions? I would like to offer an argument for round one, but I need to know what I'm arguing against.
Debate Round No. 1
CAPLlock

Pro

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
Dave_82

Con

My opponent forfeited this round
Debate Round No. 2
CAPLlock

Pro

I am sorry. I was busy with finals.


To answer your question this will be abortions in general.

Here is my points.


Abortion- Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus. http://www.thefreedictionary.com......

C1. Abortion is murder.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

If a fetus is a human then that means abortion would kill a human.

First, I will prove that a fetus is alive.

This can be found in any basic Biogoly textbook..

1. Living things are highly organized.

2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.

3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.

4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.


5. All living things have an ability to adapt.

Life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an human oocyte. From this time, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc)

So It can be understood that a fetus is alive. It is also easy to assume that the fetus is undenaliably human.

Sorry for the short arguement.

Dave_82

Con

I will accept pro's definition of murder, but it invalidates his point because both definitions on his reference use the word "unlawful" and abortion is currently legal. Therefore by his own definition abortion is disqualified as murder. Also, a fetus might be technically alive, but so are plants and animals. Are pulling weeds, reaping from a garden, or hunting immoral? As to the morality of abortion itself, it depends on your reasoning. If a mother cannot carry the baby to term without danger to herself, is the life of the fetus more important than her own? In the case of rape, I would actually advise it. I think we can all agree that a rapist has something wrong mentally, like a form of psychosis. Is it moral to pass that psychosis on to the child and take a chance of history repeating itself? As to regular, "I don't want this baby" abortions, carrying a baby to term is a lot of work, a huge risk to the mother, and in general not something that a woman should have to go through if she doesn't want a baby. The typical counter is adoption, but pregnancy is an awful lot to go through for someone else. What I believe separates moral (gardening, hunting, etc) from immoral killing is sentient thought and self awareness. This does not happen until the brain is developed passed a certain point, and that is passed the time frame that abortion is legal. http://www.americanpregnancy.org...
http://www.nlm.nih.gov...
Debate Round No. 3
CAPLlock

Pro

I will accept pro's definition of murder, but it invalidates his point because both definitions on his reference use the word "unlawful" and abortion is currently legal.

But I'm not talking about legal "unlawful". I'm talking about social laws.

Therefore by his own definition abortion is disqualified as murder.

See above.

Also, a fetus might be technically alive, but so are plants and animals. Are pulling weeds, reaping from a garden, or hunting immoral?

It falls on the fact that a fetus is a human. It is unlawful to kill a human with malice.

As to the morality of abortion itself, it depends on your reasoning. If a mother cannot carry the baby to term without danger to herself, is the life of the fetus more important than her own? In the case of rape, I would actually advise it.


Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).[1]

About 93% ,the vast majority, is against this point. Would it be lawful to let abortion happen because it puts only 6% of women at risk? About 1.37 million humans die by abortion. It harms humans



I think we can all agree that a rapist has something wrong mentally, like a form of psychosis. Is it moral to pass that psychosis on to the child and take a chance of history repeating itself?

Not all rapists are 'wrong mentally'. I also don't think that pasychosis can be passed down.


As to regular, "I don't want this baby" abortions, carrying a baby to term is a lot of work, a huge risk to the mother, and in general not something that a woman should have to go through if she doesn't want a baby. The typical counter is adoption, but pregnancy is an awful lot to go through for someone else.

Well sure. But it is still better then letting a human die off by your own hand. But yes.

Adoption works.

What I believe separates moral (gardening, hunting, etc) from immoral killing is sentient thought and self awareness. This does not happen until the brain is developed passed a certain point, and that is passed the time frame that abortion is legal. http://www.americanpregnancy.org......
http://www.nlm.nih.gov......

I will touch off on this later.


Attack points.

C1

Aliments caused by abortion.

Complications of spontaneous miscarriages and therapeutic abortions include the following:
  • Postabortion triad (ie, pain, bleeding, low-grade fever)
  • Hematometra
  • Retained products of conception
  • Uterine perforation
  • Bowel and bladder injury
  • Cervical shock
  • Cervical laceration [2]
http://emedicine.medscape.com......; [2]

C2: adoption is another option

  1. Adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child. [3]

http://www.physiciansforlife.org......;[3]




Dave_82

Con

Dave_82 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
CAPLlock

Pro

Well then...
Dave_82

Con

Dave_82 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by 16kadams 5 years ago
16kadams
plagiarism by pro: http://prolifephysicians.org...
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Reasons for voting decision: No one wins conduct because both forfeited at least one round. Pro wins because Con forfeited the last two rounds which is unfortunate because although Con's arguments weren't very strong, they were stronger than Pro's so I think he had a chance of winning this if he had followed it through.
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