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susana14
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PoeJoe
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68 Points

Abortion are you for it or against?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/6/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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susana14

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Why does the goverment alow killing to be legal.Isnt it a crime. Yes, to me aboriton is a crime, so why is it still allowed.
PoeJoe

Pro

My opponent's argument relies solely on one single fallacious argument. She maintains that because killing is illegal, therefore abortion should also be illegal. However, this assumption is wrong -- killing in it of itself is perfectly legal. From hunting, to fishing, to the zooplankton in our toothpastes, killing occurs all the time. What I believe my opponent was trying to say though, was that the forced termination of human life is illegal.

That it true, and I will not attempt to argue that point. However, a fetus is NOT a human being. Wiktionary, for instance, defines a human being as, "A human being, whether man, woman, or child; Of or belonging to the species Homo sapiens or its closest relatives." There is no mention of fetuses anywhere in that definition. And in fact, if you can find a mainstream, unbiased source (from a dictionary, online dictionary, or otherwise) that defines humans to include fetuses, I will concede this debate.

Furthermore, your conception of the word "killing" is also flawed. If we can assume that preventing life to become life is in fact killing, then every moment you are not engaging in the act of reproduction, you are killing potential life. In other words, if at any time in your life you were not procreating, you just destroyed potential life. This notion, however, is quite ridiculous as to your idea of disallowing the abortion of a fetus. Therefore, the idea of "potential life" is neither equatable, nor comparable with actual life.

But even if a fetus were a human being, its "rights" still would not trump the rights of the mother. Who are we to expect pregnant women to voluntarily donate their body and life support systems to something else? Who are we to force a mother to devote eighteen years to taking care of a child? That is both unreasonable, and, arguably, sexist.

Besides, even if abortions were made illegal, women would still seek them, and this would be extremely dangerous. According to Planned Parenthood, "In 1972 there were 1,000,000 illegal abortions and 5,000 to 10,000 women died from them." When Roe v. Wade passed in 1973 (a year after the above-mentioned statistic), deaths from abortion drastically dropped. This is supported by the National Center for Health Statistics' own statistics.

But above all this, the fundamental reason susana14 expresses her opinion this way in her post, is because she wants to inflict her morals upon the different people around her. As I've proven, potential life is NOT life. To her however, her own personal truth outweighs fact. This is okay. However, the government has no right to control the morals of its people. Above all, that is why you must allow abortions. And that is why you must vote for me for this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
susana14

Con

susana14 forfeited this round.
PoeJoe

Pro

It's really unfortunate that my opponent, susana14, was unable to post her rebuttal. Thus, I will carry my opening statement over to this round so she can include a rebuttal in her closing statements. So far, you, the audience, most vote for me because I have been the only debater to provide any argument whatsoever.
Debate Round No. 2
susana14

Con

susana14 forfeited this round.
PoeJoe

Pro

It's really unfortunate that my opponent, susana14, was unable to post her closing arguments. I was really looking forward to this debate; I have never debated abortion seriously before. Oh well.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
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I think it's wrong when people don't even read the debate before commenting. And I also think it is wrong for Debate.org to be used as a "Is CRISTAIN HOT zOmG!!!!" conversation. But that's just my opinion
Posted by tylerp 8 years ago
tylerp
i think its wrong when you aren't even letting the baby inside of you get a chance to live.
Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
PoeJoe
Does anyone want to challenge me on the abortion issue?
It would be really appreciated. (I'd have to be pro of course)
Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
PoeJoe
I would like to remind the audience at this point to not abuse the comments system by providing either side with evidence/arguments. Thank you.
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