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Abortion in the US

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16kadams
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/19/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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16kadams

Con

1st round = ACCEPTANCE
ScarletGhost4396

Pro

I accept the debate. :)
Debate Round No. 1
16kadams

Con

C1: A fetus is a human

First:

1. Living things are highly organized. [1]

2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy. [1]

3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment. [1]

4. All living things have an ability to reproduce. [1]

5. All living things have an ability to adapt. [1]

According to this definition, life begins when sperm and the egg combine and form an oocyte.

"According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things. " [1]

A fetus is undoubtedly a Human. Further more the fetus has the same human DNA that you and I share. [1, 2, 3] Also Modern Biology proves that life is present in the womb at the moment of conception. [4]

A fetus is a human being, and therefore killing it isn't murder, as that is the wrong word, but rather a killing of life.

C2: Abortion Causes Breast Cancer

In Finland the number of abortions is correlated with an increase in breast cancer. More abortions = more breast cancer. [5] 30 studies have concluded an abortion is leads to a higher chance of breast cancer [6] An abortion increases the rick of breast cancer by 50%. [6] 8 medical associations have accepted the act that abortion leads to breast cancer. [7]

C3: The economy

Abortion actually means less consumers. Population is a good thing:


source: http://en.wikipedia.org... (graph)

Note China has the most economic growth, and on top of that has the largest populaiton.

Population growth is linked ot urbanization, and urban countries tend to be wealthier. [8] Fewer babbies = fewer consumers. [9] Without consumers no goods are bought, less consumers = less goods are bought, less goods bought = slower economic growth. Also as abortion loers population, it shrinks the lbor force. [9] One Study shows for every American that aborted they cost the economy $1 5000 000. [10] The reason is they are less workers, as I stated above, and less consumers. That means less money is being pumped into the economy. 40 million hav been aborted. [9] This means less taxes the goverment gets! [11] Those kids when they grew up could be making money, helping the economy, and paying taxes, helping the economy. 202 billion dollars have been lost (tax wise) because of abortion. [11] There is no economic benifit to abortion. [12]

Conclusion:

Abortion is a killing, hurts women as it causes breast cancer, and is not good for the economy, actually hurts it. VOTE CON!







sources:

http://prolifephysicians.org... [1]
http://carm.org... [2]
http://www.harmfulduringpregnancy.com... [3]
http://www.prolife.com... [4]
Lime 5, by Mark Crutcher, 1996, Life Dynamics Inc. Denton, Texas. p223-238 [5]
http://www.newswithviews.com... [6]
http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com... [7]
http://blogs.worldbank.org... [8]
http://www.nrlc.org... [9]
Fight for Life - a pro-life handbook for Southern Africa, by Miriam Cain. 1995 Africa Christian Action, Cape Town, p27 [10]
http://www.lifenews.com... [11]
http://nelson-acquilano.suite101.com... [12]
ScarletGhost4396

Pro

Is my opponent arguing on whether or not abortion should be illegal? I ask this in order to fully understand what my burden for this debate will be as the contender. With this said, the PRO will move on toward the iteration of its contentions. I may preface a bit considering the limited time that I have remaining, but I will continue to argue my points through the course of the debate.

1. Bans on abortion increase illegal abortions.
Bans on abortions do nothing to stop abortions. The only thing it truly does is drive abortions to occur underground, where women are placed in conditions unsafe in comparison to regular, legal abortions. This would be detrimental to the state of the people in our American society.

2. Bans trample women's rights.
In addition to the hinderance of a private decision of a woman, a woman is not allowed to make her own decisions with what may go on with her body.

3. A fetus ought not be endowed with rights.
Not only does a fetus lack most of the distinguishing features of a human being at its stage of its development, but the fact that it is not a part of social contract means it does not have rights.


(I'm sorry for the shallow statement. Evidence and arguments will be posted later)
Debate Round No. 2
16kadams

Con

I thank the response. Extend arguments.

Refutations:

R1: Abortions increase backstreet abortions

Before I refute this, I will layout a backstreet abortion.

"Prior to legalization, 90 percent of illegal abortions were done by physicians. Most of the remainder were done by nurses, midwives or others with at least some medical training." (1)

"In 1972, there were only 32 maternal deaths related to illegal abortion, not the thousands proclaimed by pro-abortionists.�" (1)

Therefore it is not that dangerous, and or not as dangerous as you imply.

But, this states these illegal abortions prior to legalization was rare. (2)

Now, deterrence:

This theory is if you increase punishment and consequences basic psychology leads us to belive we will not do it. (3)

This being said a ban = punishment for abortion = less likely to do it.

R2: Bans trample womens rights

Thus us a misconception. The constitution has NO NONE ZERO wording in abortion. (4) the constitution gives rights, and as it has no wording the states ought to choose. We are not arguing a federal ban! Rather what ought to be done. As in round 2 I proved a fetus is a human, then killing it violates the 14th amendments right to life. (4) no right to an abortion.

R3: A fetus has no rights

Sure, currently under roe v. Wade (if you bring this up I will attack it) there is no legal right to an abortion, but in reality they should. They are humans, and killing them deprives them of life, therefore ought to have legal rights, and technically does. (5)

Vote con.

Sources:
http://www.physiciansforlife.org... (1)
http://www.abortionfacts.com... (2)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org...(psychology) (3)
http://law2.umkc.edu... (4)
http://angel115707.hubpages.com... (5)
ScarletGhost4396

Pro

ScarletGhost4396 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
16kadams

Con

Extend all arguments VOTE CON
ScarletGhost4396

Pro

ScarletGhost4396 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by 16kadams 2 years ago
16kadams
later now that it has been accepted.
Posted by Microsuck 2 years ago
Microsuck
I would like to do the SSM
Posted by 16kadams 2 years ago
16kadams
I am arguing abortion should be illegal
Posted by 16kadams 2 years ago
16kadams
Oh Micro suck if you wanna debate SSM I can change this or we do it next week.
Posted by Microsuck 2 years ago
Microsuck
What about "in the US"? Are we saying, "Resolved: Abortion should be illegal in the US"
Posted by Deathbeforedishonour 2 years ago
Deathbeforedishonour
I would accept to debate devil's advocate, but I don't have time.
Posted by 16kadams 2 years ago
16kadams
In the US
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