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Abortion is immoral (?)

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Started: 4/1/2012 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BobAlmighty125

Con

I hold my opinion that abortion is a moral and correct process.

As always, rules of proper conduct shall be followed (although there should be no problems).

I look forward to a serious debate over a somewhat cliched topic, and I welcome jcizadlo to join me.
jcizadlo

Pro

I accept your debate, and hold my own opinion that abortion is an immoral process.

I as well look forward to a serious debate. I thank you for this opportunity.
Debate Round No. 1
BobAlmighty125

Con

To start, we shall note that there are two types of abortion, induced and spontaneous. Spontaneous abortion occurs naturally and is generally termed as a "miscarriage". Induced abortion is just as the name implies.

So, abortion is an undeniably natural process. Articles state that: "Only 30 to 50% of conceptions progress past the first trimester", and "The incidence of spontaneous abortion is estimated to be 50% of all pregnancies." Nearly half of all fertilizations do not become children.

Induced abortion can also be subdivided. Therapeutic abortions are for medical reasons: to save the pregnant woman from harm, or to prevent having disabled offspring. Elective abortions are at the mother's discretion and are not for medical reasons.

The World Health Organization has found that abortions are a whopping 14 times safer than childbirth (0.6 deaths per 100,000 procedures, versus 8.8 for birthing)

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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jcizadlo

Pro

I will neither deny nor argue that spontaneous abortion is immoral. By being a natural process, it is not a choice, and I will not argue against it.

Neither will I argue against therapeutic abortions, although it may lose me the argument. Evasion of harm and/or disablement of the mother and/or the offspring is and should be important to any developed society, and as such will not be argued against.

For elective abortions, I will also exclude the case of rape. Rape is defined as "a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent." As such, I will not argue against the use of abortion in this scenario.

I would also, at this time, like to establish a definition for living organisms. Living organisms usually contain the 6 basic characteristics of: Reproduction, Growth, Metabolism, Movement, Responsiveness, and Adaptation.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

World Book Encyclopedia
Debate Round No. 2
BobAlmighty125

Con

CLARIFICATION: I wish to ask the voters (and Pro) to disregard circumstances of therapeutic and circumstances of rape. The issue at hand is over elective abortions. I brought up the topics of spontaneous abortions and the sort for purposes of definition and accurate display of all aspects of abortion. Also, I would request to focus debate on human abortions (I doubt this should cause issue)

Pertaining to abortions and religion: The Islamic world permits abortions until a certain point of gestation (it becomes "taboo" when it is deemed the soul has entered the body. The Catholic Church did not strongly oppose abortions until the 1800's.

I would like to take this chance to define the soul as "the incorporeal essence of a person, living thing, or object, but most prominently believed as a human trait."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

-my apologies to the voters: I understand that not much debate has happened as of yet. I underestimated the character limits, and true debate is coming
jcizadlo

Pro

I would like to now take the time to rebut my fellow debater.

In response to the statement that the Catholic Church did not strongly oppose abortion until the 1800s. There is evidence that during the 1st and 2nd centuries, numerous Christians, which at that time were Catholic because the church hadn't split into the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox, strongly opposed abortion. Because of this, the church had a strongly negative opinion on this.

Statements about the strong opposition to abortion can be found here: http://www.religioustolerance.org...

The Jewish religion has also been strongly opposed to abortion, which can be seen through out much of history.

The Orthodox Church, after the split with the Catholic church, has always been strongly opposed to abortion.

Other religions, such as Hinduism, also consider abortion to be the gravest of sins, comparing it out right to murder often times.

http://www.spuc.org.uk...
Debate Round No. 3
BobAlmighty125

Con

Fetuses cannot respond to the most basic of stimuli, such as sound, until week 22 of gestation. Most abortions occur before or around week 10- "88-92% of all abortions happen during the first trimester, prior to the 13th week of gestation" (only 20% of clinics offer abortion after the 20th week). The child could not survive outside of the mother, and therefore is PART OF the mother, making the procedure of abortion ethically no different from a tumor removal.

In many cases, the aborted child has been saved from a miserable life. Many women abort due to their inability to raise a child at their stage of life. I believe that this is the responsible course of action: why would one start a child in life with few advantages? Conscious parents want to offer their child the most advantages possible and abortions prevent a lack of such advantages.

http://www.buzzle.com...
http://www.abort73.com...
jcizadlo

Pro

Stimuli is defined as "That which can elicit or evoke an action or response in a cell, an excitable tissue, or an organism." By that definition, any outside influence on the fetus that the fetus has any response to would be stimuli. This could be as basic as the mother changing her diet and the fetus responding by demanding a different set of nutrients, based on what is available. Also, if the unborn fetus is a part of the mother here is a philosophical question for my fellow debater and voters: If removing an unborn fetus is similar to removing a tumor, then is one Siamese twin killing the other any different?

While it may seem that the aborted child has been saved from a miserable life, there is a process that can avoid abortion altogether. Adoption is the process of bringing in and taking care of a child. Why is abortion morally right, when there is an alternative process?

http://dictionary.reference.com...
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Debate Round No. 4
BobAlmighty125

Con

BobAlmighty125 forfeited this round.
jcizadlo

Pro

jcizadlo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by rsanchez11 4 years ago
rsanchez11
This debate will not be "clarified" on the basis of history or religion doctrine. It is a question of ethics and morality. So debaters could you focus more on that.
Posted by rsanchez11 4 years ago
rsanchez11
I feel that spontaneous abortion, as the title implies, is something out of your control and holds no moral implications. However, induced abortion is something of immorality and unfainess, is it not the responsibility of the couple or people who consimate willingly and in consent to accept or at least be willing to take the consequences of their actions? However is it also not unfair that someone who was raped and/or a women who is betrayed by her significant other and left to take the consequences on her own, what rightfully was to be boths "problem", to be slandered for having an abortion? If so, who is the immoral person the women alone who are to bear the children or both involved.
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