Abortion should be illigal except in cases of Rape
I originally started to debate to challenge another DDO member who was already debateing abortion and was arguing it was normally wrong except in special cases such as the mother and child cant both be saved or in the case of rape.
given the premise that its wrong otherwise I take the position that rape is not a cause for exception although the 'can only save one' case is. so I tried challenging the new member to debate over the rape exception. Turns out he just included that exception for 'playing devils advocate' sake partially, since he was hoping for a debate with a total pro-choice advocate over abortion putting cases of 'can only save one' and 'rape' aside.
but I still want to debate this topic, so I'm reissuing the challenge and have these terms for whoever accapts it. You have to be against abortion under normal healthy growing baby, mom and dad that are dating/hitched circumstances, the sex was totally by consent. in those cases you have to be against abortion. if your not please just dont except this debate. I dont want to debate the abortion issue altogether, just a paticular irrational exception made in most abortion debates.
if you accapt this debate you defending that abortion is wrong except in cases of rape.
I left all my argument before in this opening round but you can skip reading the italic part if you want, it was really specifically directed at the original debater I tried challenging.
also if you want to accapt this debate but dont qualiy just drop a comment in the comment section. I dont really care what rank you are that restriction was just put to keep troll debaters from accapting. if you let me know your intrested I will look at some of your past debates to see if you forfiet most of them and if dont but actually finsish your debates I will issue the challenge to you.
anyway....on with the debate.
Hello new DDO member, I saw your debate challenge and wanted to debate one of the particulates to your position, the one on rape. if the child and the mom cant both be saved then they cant both be saved so I would have a hard time making a case to dissagree if her life is endanger she should not keep her's over the childs. But as for if the child is a result of rape I can easily make a case against when you are already agreeing to the basic fact that abortion is wrong and should be illigal in normal conditions....
So do explain for me in your opening round how when.....
A man rapes a woman
Woman is pregnant with a baby as a result
Kill the baby.
Given the 3 people in that scenario one would think common sense would lead you to lean toward killing the man that raped the woman if you had to kill anybody but instead you chose 'kill the baby'
Do you hold a position that babies should be held accountable to the fathers sins if they are still in the womb?
I look foward to my opponents response
I read this wrong, I would only want to debate if I'm on the pro-choice side. Sorry
Tell you what Irrational Thinker. I have a way to salvage this debate so that both you and I can get what we want. Now you have proven that your incredibly slow already by accepting this debate without reading the resolution, what your side is, or a single facet of my argument. You just went “oh an abortion debate, whoopee, the big bold letters look like he’s pro-life and am not so this one for meeeee…”
So DO NOT THINK ABOUT POSTING ANOTHER ROUND BEFORE ACTUALLY READING THE FOLLOWING, AND BY READING I MEAN EVERY SINGLE WORD.
Accomplish that small task and you just might redeem yourself in my eyes, not that probably matters to you.
You want to debate a pro-choice side.
I want to have a debate that shows given the premise that abortion is wrong normally, then rape would not be an exception case to it being okay. If its okay during rape cases, its okay altogether, if its not okay altogether than its not okay when the girl was raped.
So tell me if this edit of the resolution works for you.
“It is stupid to label a pro-lifer as an ‘extreme pro-lifer’ for not compromising on still being against abortion in cases of rape.”
Basically you hear very often in political stump speeches the democrat often refer to a republican as crossing a line in being too extreme with there position on abortion when they are still against in cases or rape. As if to say “I can understand there view enough about when life starts to respect that they fight against abortion under normal circumstances, but surely they should be of a different mindset in the case of rape”
Rape should not be considered an exception case in these debates or even brought up at all. It has no bearing on the issues that content abortion is either right or wrong.
You know what here’s a better rephrasing of the resolution for you.
“Rape should not be brought up in an abortion debate”
Because from your pro-choice perspective it is even okay for the woman to choose to kill her baby in the womb if she were married in a stable relationship with a guy is completely prepared to financially handle a kid but ‘just doesn’t feel like having one right now’. Its her body and anything unfortunate enough to be in it is hers to tyrannically eliminate at her whim. She does not have to even have a reason. So if it where fact that she was raped thus giving a reason to choose to have an abortion is immaterial. Thus justification did not suddenly make this a choice she has a right to in your eyes
Because of my or any Pro-lifer perspective that baby is just as much a baby while its in her body, is just as much alive and that’s the thing that throws me on MY tangent. 1 day after the child is born if you killed you would look at like its murder. 1 minute it after its born not much change right? 1 minute before? Basically the same kid just located in a different spot and because that he/she lost its right to be protected? To live? Is it okay that in china they kill there baby’s when there born because there a girl? After all they were born in that country so it should be up to China’s choice? The location doesn’t phase me from my view and its not complicated to decide at exactly which point you start calling it a life. There’s really only one point you ever can and that’s conception (under my view anyway).
So why bring up rape into an abortion debate between us. It has no bearing on either of our views, as I spelled out last round why. If a man rapes a woman and she is pregnant because of it the awful deed done was done by the rapist, not the baby. So it’s a great abandon in logic THIS issue about her being raped was bridge it took for me to convert to being pro-choice. Someone else does something awful so it follows we sacrifice the innocent in the tragedy to make someone feel better about it?
There is absolutely no rational grounds for someone to be pro-life but be okay with it if the girl was raped. And thus its not rational for a pro-choicer to bring up rape in debate with a pro-lifer. Its just not an issue that strengthens or harms or affects in any way either side.
I await my opponents response, pondering just which tiny fragment of my post he will read this time. Or if he will read it all and maybe even argue well enough for me to forgive him for his previous stupid mistake.
(P.S. I actually see no reason to change to resolution. we can hold the choice vs life debate that i just described just fine with it as it is with you as the PRO to our resolution. arguing temporaraly from a position you dont fully back is completely legit to use the socratic method to dismantle an opposing position to your actual view. overall i think you should get the point of this debate....provided you actually read any my attempt to get you to get the point this time)
Rational_Thinker9119 forfeited this round.
well thank you for totally respectfully acknowledging my proposal to keep debating by not posting in the debate....or the comoent section...or in a pm....and basically being a dick pretending this page does not exist.
whatever, it just makes me in the mood to listen to this song in the video
Rational_Thinker9119 forfeited this round.
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