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rjayx8
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bettabreeder
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Abortion should be legal

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Started: 6/7/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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rjayx8

Pro

Round 1 is for Acceptance
Round 2 is for Arguments
Round 3 is for Rebuttal
Round 4 is for Closing Statement
Debate Round No. 1
rjayx8

Pro

Judges please note: This round is exclusively for arguments; After a thorough research I will try to quote experts who have extensively dealt with the subject of abortion.


Proponents, identifying themselves as pro-choice, contend that choosing abortion is a woman's right that should not be limited by governmental or religious authority, and which outweighs any right claimed for an embryo or fetus. They say that pregnant women will resort to unsafe illegal abortions if there is no legal option.


Although the Catholic and Lutheran churches oppose abortion, more of their members believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases versus illegal in all or most cases (51% vs. 45%, Lutheran; 48% vs. 45%, Catholic). [1]


A woman's risk of dying from having an abortion is 0.6 in 100,000, while the risk of dying from giving birth is around 14 times higher (8.8 in 100,000). [2] The mortality rate of a colonoscopy is more than 40 times greater than that of an abortion. [3]


The US Supreme Court has declared abortion to be a "fundamental right" guaranteed by the US Constitution. The landmark abortion case Roe v. Wade, decided on Jan. 22, 1973 in favor of abortion rights, remains the law of the land. The 7-2 decision stated that the Constitution gives "a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy," and that "This right of privacy... is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy." [4]


Personhood begins after a fetus becomes "viable" (able to survive outside the womb) or after birth, not at conception. [5] [6]Embryos and fetuses are not independent, self-determining beings, and abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not a baby. A person's age is calculated from birth date, not conception, and fetuses are not counted in the US Census. The majority opinion in Roe v. Wadestates that "the word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment [of the US Constitution], does not include the unborn." [7]


A baby should not come into the world unwanted. Having a child is an important decision that requires consideration, preparation, and planning. The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment stated that unintended pregnancies are associated with birth defects, low birth weight, maternal depression, increased risk of child abuse, lower educational attainment, delayed entry into prenatal care, a high risk of physical violence during pregnancy, and reduced rates of breastfeeding. [8] 49% of all pregnancies among American women are unintended.[9]


Abortion reduces crime. According to a study co-written by Freakonomics co-author Steven D. Levitt, PhD, and published in the peer-reviewed Quarterly Journal of Economics, "legalized abortion has contributed significantly to recent crime reductions." Around 18 years after abortion was legalized, crime rates began to drop abruptly, and crime rates dropped earlier in states that allowed abortion earlier. Because "women who have abortions are those most at risk to give birth to children who would engage in criminal activity," and women who had control over the timing of childbearing were more likely to raise children in optimal environments, crime is reduced when there is access to legal abortion. [10]


Many religious organizations and people of faith support women's reproductive choice.Although many religious groups oppose abortion, the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church, and the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations are all officially pro-choice. [11] [12] [13] The Bible, despite interpretations to the contrary, contains no explicit condemnation of abortion, and does not portray the killing of a fetus as equivalent to the killing of a human being. In Exodus 21:22-25, the crime of causing a woman to miscarry is treated as a property crime, whereas killing the woman is considered murder and is punished with the death penalty. [14] While the Catholic and Lutheran churches oppose abortion, more of their members believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases versus illegal in all or most cases (51% vs. 45%, Lutheran; 48% vs. 45%, Catholic). [15] Joe Biden, 47th US Vice President, stated in Oct. 2012 that "I accept my church’s position on abortion... But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others..." [16]



SOURCES


[1] Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, US Religious Landscape Survey: Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant, religions.pewforum.org


[2] E.G. Raymond and D.A. Grimes, "The Comparative Safety of Legal Induced Abortion and Childbirth in the United States," Obstetrics and Gynecology,


[3] American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and American Medical Association, "Brief of Amici Curiae [in Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas Surgical Health Services et al. v. Attorney General Gregory Abbot et al.]," acog.org,


[4] Roe v. Wade (342 KB) , US Supreme Court, lp.findlaw.com,


[5]Franklin Foer, "Fetal Viability," slate.com,


[6] James Davison Hunter, Before the Shooting Begins: Searching for Democracy in America's Culture War, 1994


[7] Roe v. Wade (342 KB) , US Supreme Court, lp.findlaw.com,


[8] Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, "Family Planning Program," colorado.gov


[9] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), "Unintended Pregnancy Prevention: Home" (159 KB)


[10] John J. Donohue, and Steven D. Levitt, "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime," The Quarterly Journal of Economics, May 2001 (Despite admitting to an error in one of this study's tables, Levitt has stated that "the story we put forth in the paper is not materially changed by the coding error." See Steven D. Levitt, "Everything in Freakonomics Is Wrong!," freakonomics.com, Nov. 28, 2005)


[11]General Board of Church & Society of the United Methodist Church, "Family Planning and Reproductive Health - Social Principles," umc-gbcs.org, 2008


[12]General Assembly Mission Council of the Presbyterian Church (USA), "Presbyterian 101 - Abortion Issues," gamc.pcusa.org (accessed Feb. 25, 2011)


[13]Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations, "Right to Choose," uua.org, June 3, 2010


[14] Rick Lowery, PhD, "Abortion: What the Bible Says (and Doesn't Say)," huffingtonpost.com,


[15] Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, US Religious Landscape Survey: Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant, religions.pewforum.org,


[16] John J. Donohue, and Steven D. Levitt, "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime," The Quarterly Journal of Economics, May 2001 (Despite admitting to an error in one of this study's tables, Levitt has stated that "the story we put forth in the paper is not materially changed by the coding error." See Steven D. Levitt, "Everything in Freakonomics Is Wrong!," freakonomics.com, Nov. 28, 2005)



[20]Ezra Klein, "Transcript: The 2012 VP Debate," washingtonpost.com,

bettabreeder

Con

Because life starts starts conception when abortion accures you are killing a premature child. That could of been the person that could of cured cancer or AIDs but was killed. As a Christian I belive it is wrong because it is violation with the Commandment that states You shall not Kill and You are killing. Babies don't haft to come into a world of hate when they can just come out of there mom then be adopted. In that situation they will not feel hate but enjoy life
Debate Round No. 2
rjayx8

Pro


Judges please note: This round is for rebuttal only, therefore I shall extend my arguments in Round 4.


I will be refuting my opponent’s argument paragraph by paragraph. Also in brackets I tried to shed light on some grammatical and structural errors made by my opponent as I believe debate.org values that language should be used in the correct manner.


“Because life starts starts (repetition) conception when abortion accures (occurs) you are killing a premature child.”


“That could of (have) been the person that could of (have) cured cancer or AIDs but was killed.”


Personhood begins after a fetus becomes "viable" (able to survive outside the womb) or after birth, not at conception. [1] [2]Embryos and fetuses are not independent, self-determining beings, and abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not a baby. A person's age is calculated from birth date, not conception, and fetuses are not counted in the US Census. The majority opinion in Roe v. Wadestates that "the word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment [of the US Constitution], does not include the unborn." [3]


Sources:


[1] Franklin Foer, "Fetal Viability," slate.com, May 25, 1997


[2] James Davison Hunter, Before the Shooting Begins: Searching for Democracy in America's Culture War, 1994


[3] Roe v. Wade (342 KB) , US Supreme Court, lp.findlaw.com, Jan. 22, 1973


“As a Christian I belive (*believe) it is wrong because it is (a) violation with the Commandment that states You shall not Kill and You are killing.”


There is no killing, it is just that a child should not become a liability, say a women who was raped and conceived a child from the horror she had suffered, wouldn’t she be reminded of the atrocities committed to her, haunted by the same child she kept in her womb for 9 months?


“Babies don't haft (*have) to come into a world of hate when they can just come out of there mom then be adopted.” (Sorry, what?)


Well adoption, you talk about not abandoning them, saying that babies should live, but as soon as they are born the mother should leave all responsibility and give them to an orphanage, why would she take all the pains for all those months?


“In that situation they will not feel hate but enjoy life” (Right, that made perfect sense)


As if children in orphanages are living the American Dream.




bettabreeder

Con

bettabreeder forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
rjayx8

Pro

Well that would be all then, I thank my opponent for posting his argument and believe I have successfully defended the resolution that abortion should be legal. Cheers. vote for Pro !
bettabreeder

Con

bettabreeder forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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