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Superechew
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tejretics
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Abortion should not be legal in any situation

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/27/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Superechew

Pro

I'd like to ask a simple question: What is conceived in the womb? Is it a bunny, an alien, a bundle of cells? What is it?
tejretics

Con

1. What are the burdens?

The resolution states that abortion shouldn’t be legal in any situation. Pro’s burden, therefore, is to show that abortion should be legally impermissible. My burden is to show that, in at least one situation, abortion should be permissible.

2. Life of the mother

I believe that abortion ought to be legal in cases where there is a threat to the mother’s life when not aborting. The American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians explains, “Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event.” [1] The cases where abortion is necessary include severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia [2].

Pro might argue that there are alternatives in such cases, and that medical technology has sufficiently progressed to prevent necessity of an abortion. First, those are wrong misconceptions, and abortions are actually often necessary. Second, even if that were the case, when there is a better chance at the life of the mother being saved from an abortion, it ought to be done.

Why value the mother’s life over the life of the fetus? First, the fetus lacks any sentience or ability to experience sensation. Morality hinges on fulfilling interests, and the fetus does not have an interest to avoid death. Second, if the child is born without a mother, there might be multiple psychological difficulties faced by the child -- which are definitely harmful.

3. Liberty

People have the liberty to do whatever they want -- without the state controlling them -- unless this liberty causes actual harm to non-consensual others [3]. The reason to support this is that the government lacks any legitimacy if it legislates against self-regarding acts. The purpose of government is to prevent harm from others, else people don’t recognize the legitimacy of the state. Abortion doesn’t actually “harm” anyone, because the fetus is unable to feel or perceive anything [4, 5]. Lacking any interest, the fetus does not experience any harm from an abortion, so nobody who doesn’t consent to the abortion is harmed. As such, the right to have an abortion is a part of this liberty.

4. Conclusion

First, I have shown that abortion should be permitted in cases where the mother’s life depends on it, since the state ought to value the mother’s life over the fetus’s life. Second, I have shown that the right to have an abortion is an essential part of liberty since it causes no harm to the interests of a non-consensual other. For those two reasons, vote Con.

[1] http://www.acog.org...
[2] http://www.usatoday.com...
[3] http://plato.stanford.edu...
[4] https://www.newscientist.com...
[5] https://rewire.news...
Debate Round No. 1
Superechew

Pro

Superechew forfeited this round.
tejretics

Con

== What is conceived in the womb? == (Pro's question)

There are multiple steps in the gestation period. In the beginning, sperm and egg fuse in one of two fallopian tubes to form a zygote. The zygote moves towards the uterus, a journey that can take up to one week to complete. Around 24 to 36 hours later, cell division begins. The division continues at a rapid rate, and the cells form a structure called the blastocyst. The blastocyst attaches itself to the uterine wall, in a process called "implantation." The blastocyst's inner cell mass forms the embryo in the first ten weeks of gestation. The embryo continues developing the equivalent of organs of the future infant. [1] After the first ten weeks, the embryo becomes the fetus, a twelve-inch long body. The early body systems/structures developed in the embryo continue to grow. The fetus makes involuntary motions and the heartbeat begins. In the fifth or sixth week of gestation (second month), electrical activity in the brain begins. In the third month of gestation, sex organs develop. Synapses begin forming at 17 weeks and begin to multiply quickly at the twenty-third week. [2] For *at least* 24 weeks, the fetus lacks any form of perception. Some research suggests that prenatal perception only properly begins at 35 weeks.

Since there's no "harm" to abortion (no one is there to perceive the harm as even existent) and since there are disadvantages to banning abortion, vote Con.

[1] Stephanie Dyonne Shirk, "Prenatal Development," Gale Encyclopedia of Children's Health
[2] Judy Iles, "Neuroethics," p. 142 https://books.google.co.in...
Debate Round No. 2
Superechew

Pro

Superechew forfeited this round.
tejretics

Con

Fetuses don't experience harm from an abortion, which means there's no harm from legalizing abortion, so allow bodily autonomy. Also, in some cases, abortion threatens the life of the mother, and the mother can actually experience infringing of their interests- which means it's a reason to allow abortion. Pro's question is irrelevant- but I answered it anyway.

Vote con, thanks
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Reasons for voting decision: Con deserves the debate for the following reasons: 1- VERY Powerful points. 2- Divided and ordered paragraphes, with titles in Bold. 3- Pro forfeited all the rounds except the first, and still Con gave arguments in all rounds. 4- Con had reliable sources. TO ADD TO ALL THAT, I ACTUALLY WAS WITH PRO BEFORE THE DEBATE, I STILL AM, BUT CON REALLY WINS THE DEBATE. Thanks, Adil Muhammad, Qatar
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