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Abortion take off a unborn human freedom right to live.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/28/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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humanright2debate

Pro

This debate is on do abortion take off a unborn human freedom of the right to live.

Abortion end a unborn baby life, , its as good as not giving someone the freedom to live as a human.

Looking for a strong debate.
black_squirrel

Con

I accept this debate.

I will argue that abortion of a fetus does not take away a human right to live, because
a fetus is not a person, so it does not have rights.

I am looking forward to my opponents' arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
humanright2debate

Pro

it just sounds more appealing when you are about to murder is you call it something else?

larva do part of a mosquitoes go through four stages in their lifecycles?

explain more to me about a human lifecycles from your define?

please stat clearly of your define of a fetus.
black_squirrel

Con

Most states allow abortions up to 24 weeks. When I say "fetus" I mean the first 24 weeks of a pregnancy. 24 weeks is a reasonable cut-off, because fetuses cannot yet feel pain at 24 weeks [1]:

"The neural circuitry for pain in fetuses is immature. More importantly, the developmental processes necessary for the mindful experience of pain are not yet developed. An absence of pain in the fetus does not resolve the question of whether abortion is morally acceptable or should be legal. Nevertheless, proposals to inform women seeking abortions of the potential for pain in fetuses are not supported by evidence. Legal or clinical mandates for interventions to prevent such pain are scientifically unsound and may expose women to inappropriate interventions, risks, and distress. Avoiding a discussion of fetal pain with women requesting abortions is not misguided paternalism21 but a sound policy based on good evidence that fetuses cannot experience pain."

Besides not being able to feel pain, the nervous system/brain is not enough developed for a fetus to have awareness. So fetuses have no personality, and therefore are not persons. So fetuses do not have the same rights as people.

PRO: "it just sounds more appealing when you are about to murder is you call it something else?"

It is mostly anti-abortionists who play the semantics game. Murder is unlawful killing of a person, but abortion is not unlawful, and fetuses of 24 weeks or younger are not people.

Since fetuses cannot decide whether they want to be born or not, it is up to the parents (and mostly the mother) to decide. Since fetuses are not able to choose, they are not free to choose. Having an abortion is a moral decision, and so is not having an abortion. For example, it would be, in my opinion, more moral to abort a fetus with severe birth defects that will experience mostly pain in a very short life, than forcing a fetus to live a tortured short life.







Debate Round No. 2
humanright2debate

Pro

instead of avoid please explain more to us about a human lifecycles first?

not all state set that abortions must be in the first 24 weeks. fetuses cannot feel pain at 24 weeks will be another topic, this topic is about Do"Abortion take off a unborn human freedom right to live". agreed?

now Contender don't get confessed by the term "pain as human right" , vs "take off a unborn human freedom right to live"

critical point from contender

*******Since fetuses cannot decide whether they want to be born or not, it is up to the parents (and mostly the mother) to decide. Since fetuses are not able to choose, they are not free to choose. Having an abortion is a moral decision, and so is not having an abortion. For example, it would be, in my opinion, more moral to abort a fetus with severe birth defects that will experience mostly pain in a very short life, than forcing a fetus to live a tortured short life.
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Contender pointed out and agreed fetuses will born into human, but their life is depend on parents,
do being a parents mean they have the right to take away a life?

Contender claim that because fetuses are not able to choose therefore their life is a opinion. which is totally no logic.

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all human developed from fetus.
all human share the same human right to live.
black_squirrel

Con

PRO: "instead of avoid please explain more to us about a human life cycles first?"

If you have any specific question that is related to this debate I will be glad to answer it. Here is an answer from Wikipedia [1]:

"
As with other mammals, human reproduction takes place as internal fertilization by sexual intercourse. During this process, the erect penis of the male is inserted into the female's vagina until the male ejaculates semen, which contains sperm. The sperm travels through the vagina and cervix into the uterus or Fallopian tubes for fertilization of the ovum. Upon fertilization and implantation, gestation then occurs within the female's uterus.

The zygote divides inside the female's uterus to become an embryo, which over a period of 38 weeks (9 months) of gestation becomes a fetus. After this span of time, the fully grown fetus is birthed from the woman's body and breathes independently as an infant for the first time. At this point, most modern cultures recognize the baby as a person entitled to the full protection of the law, though some jurisdictions extend various levels of personhood earlier to human fetuses while they remain in the uterus.

Compared with other species, human childbirth is dangerous. Painful labors lasting 24 hours or more are not uncommon and sometimes lead to the death of the mother, the child or both.[85] This is because of both the relatively large fetal head circumference and the mother's relatively narrow pelvis.[86][87] The chances of a successful labor increased significantly during the 20th century in wealthier countries with the advent of new medical technologies. In contrast, pregnancy and natural childbirth remain hazardous ordeals in developing regions of the world, with maternal death rates approximately 100 times greater than in developed countries.[88]

In developed countries, infants are typically 3–4 kg (6–9 pounds) in weight and 50–60 cm (20–24 inches) in height at birth.[89][not in citation given] However, low birth weight is common in developing countries, and contributes to the high levels of infant mortality in these regions.[90] Helpless at birth, humans continue to grow for some years, typically reachingsexual maturity at 12 to 15 years of age. Females continue to develop physically until around the age of 18, whereas male development continues until around age 21. The human life span can be split into a number of stages: infancy, childhood, adolescence, young adulthood, adulthood and old age. The lengths of these stages, however, have varied across cultures and time periods. Compared to other primates, humans experience an unusually rapid growth spurt during adolescence, where the body grows 25% in size. Chimpanzees, for example, grow only 14%, with no pronounced spurt.[91] The presence of the growth spurt is probably necessary to keep children physically small until they are psychologically mature. Humans are one of the few species in which females undergo menopause. It has been proposed that menopause increases a woman's overall reproductive success by allowing her to invest more time and resources in her existing offspring and/or their children (the grandmother hypothesis), rather than by continuing to bear children into old age.[92][93]

For various reasons, including biological/genetic causes,[94] women live on average about four years longer than men — as of 2013 the global average life expectancy at birth of a girl is estimated at 70.2 years compared to 66.1 for a boy.[95] There are significant geographical variations in human life expectancy, mostly correlated with economic development — for example life expectancy at birth in Hong Kong is 84.8 years for girls and 78.9 for boys, while in Swaziland, primarily because of AIDS, it is 31.3 years for both sexes.[96] The developed world is generally aging, with the median age around 40 years. In the developing world the median age is between 15 and 20 years. While one in five Europeans is 60 years of age or older, only one in twenty Africans is 60 years of age or older.[97] The number of centenarians (humans of age 100 years or older) in the world was estimated by the United Nations at 210,000 in 2002.[98] At least one person, Jeanne Calment, is known to have reached the age of 122 years;[99] higher ages have been claimed but they are not well substantiated."

If there is anything that you do not understand I will be glad to explain it to you further.

PRO: not all state set that abortions must be in the first 24 weeks.

Very few abortions are done beyond 24 weeks, and often these late term abortions are because the life of the mother may be in danger. Since it was not specified in this debate, I will presume that we are talking about abortions within the first 24 weeks.

PRO: fetuses cannot feel pain at 24 weeks will be another topic, this topic is about Do"Abortion take off a unborn human freedom right to live". agreed?

More importantly, fetuses do not have personalities at 24 weeks, so they are not people, and therefore do not have the same rights as people. This IS relevant for the debate.

PRO: now Contender don't get confessed by the term "pain as human right" , vs "take off a unborn human freedom right to live"

I am not sure what you are trying to say here. If parents decide to have a baby, they have to justify their decision to the baby. If that baby will have mostly pain and a short life, then I am not sure that you can justify this as parents. On the other hand, parents do not have to justify aborting a Zygote, because a Zygote has no personality, cannot comprehend anything at all, cannot appreciate life or the lack of it, and cannot feel pain.

PRO: Contender pointed out and agreed fetuses will born into human, but their life is depend on parents,...

Duh.

PRO: do being a parents mean they have the right to take away a life?

A Zygote cannot make such a decision. Someone has to make a decision. I think the parents are the most qualified to make such a decision. They will carry the fetus to term, and most likely, they will be caring for the baby when it is born.

PRO: Contender claim that because fetuses are not able to choose therefore their life is a opinion. which is totally no logic.

Your sentence is no grammar, so it is difficult to understand what you mean. Parents are in the best position to make the important decision whether to carry a fetus to term.

PRO: all human developed from fetus.

true.

PRO: all human share the same human right to live.

false. At least, if you include Zygote's. My sperm is also human, and is alive. Does it have a right to live? Does that mean that I have to fertilize EVERY single sperm cell when possible?

I have a question for my opponent:

At which stage in the life cycle does the fetus have a right to live? (at fertilization?) Can you explain why you choose this stage of and not some other stage?

My opinion: When a fetus is conscious of thoughs, pain, etc., it becomes a person with rights. Before that, it has not the same rights as people.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 3
humanright2debate

Pro

humanright2debate forfeited this round.
black_squirrel

Con

I extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
humanright2debate

Pro

humanright2debate forfeited this round.
black_squirrel

Con

My opponent forfeited two rounds and has not rebutted my arguments. Vote CON!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by humanright2debate 2 years ago
humanright2debate
this debate is totally unfavored for opps side, we need genius
Posted by Fox-McCloud 2 years ago
Fox-McCloud
Under the criteria of Warren, the justification of the right to life does not exclude infanticide.
Posted by Mysterious_Stranger 2 years ago
Mysterious_Stranger
I would probably accept, but five rounds of it? I really do not have that kind of motivation.
Posted by humanright2debate 2 years ago
humanright2debate
this is a hard topic to be Contender, im using human right, let see if there any genius
Posted by Amanda1242 2 years ago
Amanda1242
Yes, abortion is stripping away an individuals right to live.
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Hematite12
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