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Started: 1/14/2013 Category: Health
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collegestudent707

Con

I'm doing an assignment on abortion and I need opinions. Yes or no to abortion? Why? Strong opinions would be appreciated.
Noumena

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My argument will be simple and easy to follow (hopefully).


In the course of argumentatively justifying any proposition, one invariably use their body to do so. Whether it be arguing politics over dinner or arriving at a solution to a complicated moral dilemma like that of abortion, argumentation is everywhere and always a pre-requisite.


Therefore, argumentation endows us with a window into the necessary qualifications of any (argumentatively) justifiable ethics. I choose here to ignore positions which might seem alluring but which are by themselves unjustifiable through argumentation. One such example would be solipsism. It's easy to doubt the existence of the material world, but to argue such a position amounts to meaninglessness since one must presume the existence of other objects/minds in order to argue in the first place.


Now applying this methodology (what Habermas termed "discourse ethics"[1] and what Hoppe referred to as "argumentation ethics[2]") to abortion (and really to any ethical discourse), we must start with self ownership. By arguing, one presupposes exclusive control over one's person. A simple and easy to flow justification of this may be arrived at by a reductio. Take the opposite thesis, that we do not 'own'[3] ourselves. By even arguing in the first place one is presupposing the opposite since the act of argumentation categorically necessitates that very thing. We can't argue without having exclusive control of our bodies.


So the first moral truth we arrive at is self ownership. Now I will show why self ownership is at odds with the Con position on abortion. The Con position on abortion necessarily lends itself to the view that the foetus has a justifiable claim to the resources of the women's (a) space (in her womb that is), (b) to her nutrients and other materials necessary to keep a foetus alive in the womb, and (c) to restrictions on what the mother puts into her body during pregnancy (since there are obviously materials that would kill then foetus if ingested during pregnancy i.e., large quantities of alcohol, hard drugs, etc.).


These demands though are insufficient when viewed through the lens of self ownership. If a woman owns her body she necessarily has the right to either ingest anything into her body that doesn't by itself necessitate harm to outsiders and the right to force out unwanted visitors, whether parasitic worms or foetus' (I realize this comparison may put off many people, though the comparison is succinct I think in this scenario). If self ownership is justified (and I believe I've provided a strong argument in its defense) than a Con position on abortion is likewise unjustified.


===Sources===


[1] http://caae.phil.cmu.edu...
[2] http://archive.mises.org...
[3] (For simplicitys sake, here I use the term 'own' to denote the condition of someone having legitimate, exclusive control of their person)
Debate Round No. 1
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