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defrulz804
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Freeman
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17 Points

Abortion!

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/6/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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defrulz804

Con

1. Since life begins at conception, abortion is akin to murder as it is the act of taking human life. Abortion is in direct defiance of the commonly accepted idea of the sanctity of human life
No civilized society permits one human to intentionally harm or take the life of another human without punishment, and abortion is no different.

2. Adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.

3. An abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles, and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increases.

4. In the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished.

5. Abortion should not be used as another form of contraception.

6. For women who demand complete control of their body, control should include preventing the risk of unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.

7. Many Americans who pay taxes are opposed to abortion, therefore it's morally wrong to use tax dollars to fund abortion.

8. Those who choose abortions are often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing. Many have lifelong regrets afterwards.

9. Abortion frequently causes intense psychological pain and stress.
Freeman

Pro

My opponent's argument is not only plagiarized (http://womensissues.about.com...), but it is also poorly rooted in logic.

All of the assertions my opponent has put forth assume that abortion is wrong and therefore they commit the logical fallacy known as begging the question. [1] The rest of your plagiarized contentions will remain disregarded until you properly back them up with evidence and reasoning.

Your main issue with abortion is that you regard it as being morally wrong. However, I can clearly demonstrate that it is not morally wrong. In doing this I will simply reiterate arguments that I put forth in a previous debate.

*Case Pro*

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The Biological Version of the Central Anti Abortion Argument
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Throughout the years there have been many arguments put forth against abortion. However, most of them are derived from some version of the following syllogism:

{1} It is wrong to kill an innocent member of the species Homo sapiens.
{2} A human fetus is an innocent member of the species Homo sapiens.
{3} Therefore, it is wrong to kill a human fetus.

This argument is structurally valid. However, not all of the premises are sound. [2] It fails to demonstrate why membership inside of a species represents a significant moral boundary. Furthermore, if the argument were valid it would also have to be valid in the case of someone that has experienced upper brain death since they can also be innocent members of the species Homo sapiens. [3] Like a fetus, a human with upper brain death can also have a beating heart and many of the basic biological functions that we associate with being "alive". And once we take this scenario into consideration we can rewrite the syllogism so that it reads as follows:

{1} It is wrong to kill an innocent member of the species Homo sapiens.
{2} A human with upper brain death is an innocent member of the species Homo sapiens.
{3} Therefore, it is wrong to kill a human with upper brain death.

After we have put this alternative into the syllogism we are left with a reductio ad absurdum argument. If the biological version of the anti abortion argument were valid then this derivative would also be valid. However, it is simply nonsensical to speak of the "murder" of someone who has already experienced a permanent loss of consciousness. [4] Clearly, the first premise of the central anti abortion argument is deeply flawed. In order for us to formulate a syllogism regarding murder that is sensible we must first identify what moral principle distinguishes a normal adult human from one that has experienced upper brain death. And given the obvious differences in cognition between these two subjects the search for this principle should not be too difficult. Consequentially, this moral principle must involve some kind of reference to the mental abilities of a normal human that are not present in someone with upper brain death. From this standpoint it then becomes easy to realize that the right to life any entity can hold rests within its respective capacity for cognition. [5]

Once it becomes established that cognition is the relevant moral distinction between normal humans and those without functional upper brains many things follow, both ethically and logically. With this in mind I will introduce the proper criterion for judging the ethics of abortion later. But, for now, it will be sufficient to recognize that something can't seriously have a right to life if it lacks certain kinds of mental capacities. This recognition will then pave the way for me to create my first argument.

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Contention 1: A fetus doesn't have a right to life.
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A fetus is a member of the biological species homo sapiens, but it is not a person. [6] It is not a rational and self-conscious being and therefore it cannot be granted the same rights that we would grant to a person. Moreover, a fetus is not capable of holding a conscious desire to continue living. Therefore, it is meaningless to speak about the "murder" of a fetus. Murder implies the unlawful killing of a person that has a conscious desire to continue living.

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Conclusion
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People have a serious right to life because they are self-conscious and are able to hold a desire to continue living. On the other hand, a fetus is not a self-conscious being nor is it capable of holding preferences one-way or the other with respect to its existence. Therefore, it is not morally wrong to kill a fetus. The fetus may be "innocent" in some sense, but this is irrelevant since it doesn't have a right to life. I will expand upon this argument later, but for now I will leave it up to Con to present his case.

Definitions:

morality- 1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

abortion- a. Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Self-consciousness is an acute sense of self-awareness. It is a preoccupation with oneself, as opposed to the philosophical state of self-awareness, which is the awareness that one exists as an individual being; although some writers use both terms interchangeably or synonymously.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

---References---

[1] http://www.iep.utm.edu...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3] http://health.howstuffworks.com...
[4]http://books.google.com...
[5] http://spot.colorado.edu...
[6] http://www.utilitarian.net...
Debate Round No. 1
defrulz804

Con

defrulz804 forfeited this round.
Freeman

Pro

Hmm... very interesting
Debate Round No. 2
defrulz804

Con

defrulz804 forfeited this round.
Freeman

Pro

I'm not expecting much resistance.

Extend my arguments and enjoy the video.
Debate Round No. 3
defrulz804

Con

I forfeit because im way to busy and plus I've already screwed up this agrument, i plan on debating you in the future though, your very intelligent, i look forward to defeating you in the future.

VICTORY TO MY OPPONENT!
Freeman

Pro

Extend my arguments…
Debate Round No. 4
defrulz804

Con

defrulz804 forfeited this round.
Freeman

Pro

My opponent has forfeited three rounds and conceded the debate. (Vote Pro)
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Registered_Trademark 7 years ago
Registered_Trademark
Here is where he got it from: http://womensissues.about.com...
Posted by Rob1Billion 7 years ago
Rob1Billion
"Hmm... very interesting"

Not really. After plagiarising and getting caught, I'm sure he just doesn't have the nerve to try and defend himself.
Posted by Rob1Billion 7 years ago
Rob1Billion
Would that mean you think murder is OK?
Posted by Freeman 7 years ago
Freeman
Cody_Franklin, do you really have no opinions on abortion?
Posted by Cody_Franklin 7 years ago
Cody_Franklin
I suppose that both Freeman's and Def's argument... well, Freeman's and SOMEONE'S argument... both rely upon some presupposition that there is an objective right to life. :P
Posted by Rob1Billion 7 years ago
Rob1Billion
Ouch! Plagiarism is hard to defend, Defrulz! I suggest you start over with an argument OF YOUR OWN!
Posted by TigerFB21 7 years ago
TigerFB21
I agree with you
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