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I assume you brought up the guns issue to prove that we as a society value life. I'll accept that and focus on abortion from here on.
I also will assume your question is how can we morally justify abortion, and not that you are disappointed that the population (in the USA?) could be larger than it is today.
As already clarified, we value life. Killing a person is considered morally wrong and is punished harshly by our justice system. So the entire question is from when on do we consider "something" to be a person, to have its own life.
I think we can both agree that after a child has been born it should definitely count as a being with a wright to life. On the other extreme I think we can both agree that sperm and egg cells are not considered living beings, as they are constantly produced by our body and die off when no intercourse has taken place.
We therefore have a time continuum between the fertilization of the egg cell by the sperm (forming a zygote) and the birth of a new child. Somewhere in that continuum we have to draw a line from where on we consider the zygote/embryo to be a living being.
Now we could say: "As soon as the embryo is 9 weeks old it is a living being and shouldn't be aborted", in which case we would pass a law limiting abortion to the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. But to claim that there should be no abortion at all equals claiming that as soon as the zygote is formed a new life has begun. Would you be willing to make that claim and support it with arguments?
Disclaimer: The biological process of a forming embryo is far more complex then the possibly inaccurate depiction I have made here. It's been a while since I had biology.
I apologize, as I don't know how to further debate the fact that a zygote is a human being, but here is a link if you would like to read on.
There still are god reasons for women to be able to have abortions. I would argue that there are many cases in which women didn't freely choose to get pregnant, and therefore your argument that abortions should be illegal due to women having to face the consequences of their actions invalid. First of all not all women choose to have sex, some endure rape and they should not be forced into an unwanted pregnancy. Further it often times happens that other preventative measures failed, often times due to ignorance of usage.
Another argument is that women usually have a good reason to abort a fetus. Many abortions occur due to the woman feeling that she can't provide a stable environment for the child to grow up in. Be that relationship stability, economic status or simply the fact they will not be able to care for the child due to other responsibilities they hold in life. There also is the case in which women are simply physically not fit for a pregnancy, and without abortion their lives might be under threat.
Sure for the second argument you can claim they have to deal with the consequences, but is that really an optimal society we would be creating by disregarding all these negative points.
In my last argument I want to make the case that it would be unwise to let the government regulate what we do with our bodies.
Yes, many women understand that their child would not be growing up in a healthy environment, sometimes abusive. I am willing to bet that most times, when asked later in life, an abused child wil be happy that they were not aborted. Yes, the fact that sometimes a woman might put her life on the line in a pregnancy. I would say that for the overall betterment of society, although we are slightly overpopulated, in my opinon, that abortion should still be illegal. Just for, like I said, the overall betterment of society. 57,000,000+ abortions and counting since 1973. Some women may lose their life, but for the keepsake of the majority of lives, I believe that abortions should be illegal.
Thank you for accepting the debate, I have learned a new aspect on the issue. You were actually proposing intellectual information, opposed to others on the website.
Thank you for your open mindedness, it makes debates much more interesting and dynamic.
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