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Danielle
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Abortion

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Started: 11/18/2009 Category: Health
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dandaman3838

Con

-ABORTION-
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo, resulting in or caused by its death.[1] An abortion can occur spontaneously due to complications during pregnancy or can be induced, in humans and other species. In the context of human pregnancies, an abortion induced to preserve the health of the gravid (pregnant female) is termed a therapeutic abortion, while an abortion induced for any other reason is termed an elective abortion. The term abortion most commonly refers to the induced abortion of a human pregnancy, while spontaneous abortions are usually termed miscarriages.

I have a question for you do you believe in torturing terrorist? (if the answer is no)
If you said no you are a moron because you believe in killing gods perfectly harmless creations for nothing and not killing a terrorist for terrorizing our country.

Do you believe in the death sentence?
If you said no your killing a baby for Nothing.

Yes you are killing it you stop its heart from beating it.

What do you think god and Jesus our lord and savior think about that.

If you are atheist please Google john 3:16
Danielle

Pro

Thanks for the challenge.

I agree with my opponent's proposed definition of abortion.

To answer Con's questions, I am in favor of the death penalty, therefore making his argument useless (as he assumed that I would be opposed to the death penalty). Regarding torturing terrorists, I am also in favor of doing so again, this makes Con's argument useless (as he figured I'd be opposed to that as well).

To address Con's other points, first of all, abortion doesn't require the stopping of a beating heart because many times abortion occurs before the heart has even developed let alone started beating. Further, I don't believe in God and therefore using him to sway my moral opinion is flawed.

I don't believe that abortion is wrong because I believe that only living human persons have a right to life. One becomes a person once they develp consciousness, which usually does not occur until after the 3rd trimester of pregnancy.

Some more reasons why I am Pro legalized abortion:

1. The government doesn't have the right to tell a woman what to do with her own body. At its inception, the fetus is not a person but a fetus and therefore has no legal rights. As such, the woman is responsible for the fetus - it is her property - and she can do with it what she chooses.

2. Most women who make the decision to have an abortion do so because they feel that they would not be able to properly raise a child, and do not wish to bring a child into this world to be sent to an orphanage.

3. If a woman really doesn't want to have a baby, she's going to abort it one way or another. Criminalizing abortions would increase the demand for unsafe and unsanitary criminal back-alley abortions.

4. Abortion is not murder; as I've said, a fetus is not a person in any legal sense of the word. Therefore it becomes a moral issue. For those who don't believe in God, abortion is not a violation of any moral code. Further, since there is a Separation of Church and State, then the opinion of the Church about when a fetus becomes a person is really irrelevant.

So, Con, f you are a theist, please Google Leviticus 26:14-30 and see how loving your God is.
Debate Round No. 1
dandaman3838

Con

dandaman3838 forfeited this round.
Danielle

Pro

Once again, extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
dandaman3838

Con

as you said in 1.)
1. The government doesn't have the right to tell a woman what to do with her own body. At its inception, the fetus is not a person but a fetus and therefore has no legal rights. As such, the woman is responsible for the fetus - it is her property - and she can do with it what she chooses.

When a woman is having sex she knows what could happen and she needs to man up to her decision. So why is killing a dog illegal they have no rights and they are not a person. My answer is because it is wrong.

as said in # 2
2. Most women who make the decision to have an abortion do so because they feel that they would not be able to properly raise a child, and do not wish to bring a child into this world to be sent to an orphanage.

If you have enough money to get an abortion you can raise a baby and if you don't have enough money still there is well-fare. I would rather be an orphan than never live wouldn't you?

as said in #3
3. If a woman really doesn't want to have a baby, she's going to abort it one way or another. Criminalizing abortions would increase the demand for unsafe and unsanitary criminal back-alley abortions.
It is already unsafe just safer and that's why we have police.

as said in # 4

4. Abortion is not murder; as I've said, a fetus is not a person in any legal sense of the word. Therefore it becomes a moral issue. For those who don't believe in God, abortion is not a violation of any moral code. Further, since there is a Separation of Church and State, then the opinion of the Church about when a fetus becomes a person is really irrelevant.
No matter how you put it it is still murder!!!

I love that because Jesus died for our sins and your life is like that described in Leviticus 26:14-30.
Danielle

Pro

1. My first point noted that the government doesn't have a right to tell a woman what to do with her own body. Con's response was that a woman needs to accept responsibility regarding the consequences of her actions (sex). Of course this fails to exclude the realities of (1) accidents, and (2) rape. A woman might have sex and be ready for such an endeavor, but might not be ready to have a child. We need to stop equating sex with children; sex has become a part of our culture and a woman should not be punished or penalized for it. Because of all of the other points I made about the legal status of a fetus, etc., then it's appropriate to say that a woman should be able to choose not to have a baby even if she chose to have sex. Moreover, of course a woman should not be forced to accept the consequences of a situation she did not invite, i.e. rape -- especially because of all of the baggage that would come with that type of a pregnancy and birth.

2. Con said, "If you have enough money to have an abortion than you can raise a baby." That's ridiculous. An abortion costs $250 - $450, whereas you would spend far more that on doctor and hospital visits alone before the baby is even born if you decided to keep it... not to mention the EXTENSIVE costs of raising a child outside of the womb for at least 18 years. This is just a silly and absurd argument.

3. I pointed out that if we criminalized abortion, it would only increase back alley abortions. Con's response was that all abortions are unsafe and that's why we have police... WTF? Fail.

4. I pointed out the separation between Church and State in our government; in other words, we can only take into consideration legal obligations and not religious ones. So, a fetus still doesn't have any legal rights. Con didn't respond to this and instead said "No matter what it's still murder!" Unfortunately, Con is wrong. Abortion does not fit the parameters of murder either in the legal sense or the definition itself.

Uh... then Con said something dumb about Leviticus. Nevertheless, he still failed to respond to my arguments regarding consciousness being the indicator for when human life begins (as it pertains to rights) nor many of my other points. Con just failed overall in this debate - including missing a round - so regardless of how you feel about abortion, your points in this debate should go to the Pro. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dandaman3838 7 years ago
dandaman3838
go f**K ur self
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
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Posted by atheistman 7 years ago
atheistman
dandaman3838, have you ever had a spelling and grammar lesson? Besides, your arguments are weak at best, and this debate has nothing to do with religion.
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