The Instigator
Kelisitaan
Pro (for)
The Contender
HassanKashif
Con (against)

Abortion

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Started: 12/25/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Kelisitaan

Pro

A woman has the right to choose what she wants to do with her own body.

Rules: No new arguments in last round. (R4)
HassanKashif

Con

I'll start off with simple reasoning. The statement you made is true, every woman has rights to her own body and what she wishes to do with it. Although during pregnancy it's not only her body which is being affected. There is a fetus within her which is slowly developing and will soon emerge as an ACTUAL HUMAN BEING, 9 months later. I believe there are some exceptions when it comes to abortion, especially in the case of rape or where either the woman or the child is in danger. Those are the only two legitimate reasons for abortion. Otherwise every other case involves the woman to consent, meaning she is prepared to bare the responsibilities of being a mother and knows the risk that comes with having intercourse for recreational purposes, if that was the intention. After that, the child within her is no longer her own. Although it may still be in developing stage, you cannot avoid the fact that if let go, the fetus will grow into an infant once at birth.
Debate Round No. 1
Kelisitaan

Pro

Even assuming what Con says is true (which I disagree with), the argument is very simple. The fetus needs the body of the mother to survive. If human A needs a part of human B to survive, e.g. a kidney transplant, it is entirely up to human B whether or not he wants to give human A a kidney. Even if human B is dying and his kidneys will rot with him, he decides what to do with his own body.

A fetus needs a mother's body to survive. If the mother does not want to let the fetus use her body, it doesn't have to. The fetus is a part of a parasitic relationship; although its body is affected, it's using the body of the mother to survive. Although the fetus has control of its own body, it cannot force someone else to use their own body in order to survive.

Having sex does NOT mean that someone is prepared to bare the responsibilities of being a mother. Sex is healthy and on everyone's mind, regardless of whether or not they want motherhood.

If you drive and have an accident where you are badly injured, should you not go to the hospital for help because you "accepted" the possibility that by driving you could be in a terrible accident?
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by John_C_1812 1 year ago
John_C_1812
Making a decision on life isn"t the debate. We are not supposed to have trials without judicial separation to provide general welfare. The understanding of choice often starts with question, does a woman know she is confessing to a crime when is using abortion? Does a Medical Doctor know?
You, not all woman are jumping right into defense for the reason for confession. Yet, I have no knowledge if a medical emergency deems it essential at all. I would step back and debate how this is not a confession, if a common defense can be found? Now would be the time to locate it.
Posted by Kelisitaan 1 year ago
Kelisitaan
Removing a fetus from using the mother's body against her will is not murder. Is not giving someone your kidney who needs it to survive murder? What about not giving someone your food who will die of hunger if he doesn't have it?
Posted by John_C_1812 1 year ago
John_C_1812
A confession is a statement which incriminates and provides a verbal description of evidence that can be collected on a crime. When a person makes a statement verbally or in writing.
The crime that is being confessed is murder. I am not saying the woman is committing the crime, I am not saying a doctor is committing a crime. Only Abortion is a confession to the crime of murder when used publicly.
People are not the ones accusing a woman, they are only picking up on the confession that is being made public. To officially stop life is an intelligent way a person might choose to confess a murder. And, that is how abortion is described when said. A woman is making a choice all right, officially stop life. To abort is to officially stop. What is being stopped, pregnancy.
A woman can just have an abort without the pregnancy. It is not a confession. A woman can just have a Gender Specific Amputation instead of an abortion. A doctor cannot just perform an abort on nothing, there must be something that is to be officially stopped. A description must be then placed on what is being stopped. A doctor can abort, or choose not to abort a Gender Specific Amputation without confessing to officially stopping a pregnancy.
If the United States Constitution is protected in this matter then so will the Hippocratic Oath.
Posted by Kelisitaan 1 year ago
Kelisitaan
Excuse me, abortion is not a confession to a crime. What is the crime being committed?
Posted by Kelisitaan 1 year ago
Kelisitaan
Abortion is not a crime. Not sure where you are getting that faulty assumption from.
Posted by John_C_1812 1 year ago
John_C_1812
Kelisitaan
A woman would need to prove abortion is not a confession before she could take control of her own body. A woman simply needs not to confess to retain full control of her body. The confession of abortion has a very small window, and a confession can create a limit to how it can be opened, and how much space can be left open. Interpretation of the crime publicly is a violation of the common defense and general welfare of the United States Constitution.
With abortion you are starting out by admitting to something, a woman is not being accused by anyone. People may be unwittingly picking up on the confession. As people do not tend to naturally think saying you are doing something wrong, then recanting when people agree is a reason for argument.
Yet, it is a justification to have a trial publicly without proper representation or separation with abortion? A woman is making the choice a doctor should not have to agree with to provide emergency medical care. Confess to a crime to provide medical care.
A woman can make this claim, to confess. A Doctor can also confess by this claim. Abortion. The United States Constitution is separated from this choice by Gender Specific Amputation. Can a woman say Gender Specific Amputation and not confess? If a woman cannot speak can someone say this on her behalf? Does a doctor have a right to choose Gender Specific Amputation and not agree with the woman"s confession?
Even outside the United States This constitutional separation stand to reason. I would be very interested in hearing any woman explain how abortion is not a confession. I have never heard one woman publicly recognize it as fact.
Posted by Kelisitaan 1 year ago
Kelisitaan
The 4th round is to offer rebuttals from the arguments created in the 3rd round, not to introduce new arguments that can't be responded to.
Posted by John_C_1812 1 year ago
John_C_1812
Me? I would love to. I"m was not sure if you would like to debate me on the topic, as we share the same belief in general. However I feel more obligated to the United States Constitution and the separation it provides needs to be preserved in such matters.
You are simply asking woman and men to sacrifice a great deal, by the use of a confession. Yes, men are involved really involved because abortion is a confession to the crime and not the crime itself.
Posted by cloebowie 1 year ago
cloebowie
How come there's a fourth round? If you don't wish for the argument to proceed into it.
Posted by Ced 1 year ago
Ced
I agree with you so i can't
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