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PatriotPerson
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The Contender
Kumquatodor
Con (against)
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Abraham Lincoln would beat Barack Obama in a fight.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/23/2013 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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PatriotPerson

Pro

I believe that Honest Abe would beat Obama in a fight. This means a fist-fight. Here are the details of the fight:
Location: White House Lawn
Prep Time: 3 Hours Each
Reason for Fight: Just a political argument turned violent.

Abraham Lincoln is alive because he is resurrected by a bizarre spell, and he is at age 51. So is Obama. First round is for acceptance.
Kumquatodor

Con

This will be an... interesting battle. We need a Deadliest Warrior Announcer guy.

Abraham Lincoln. Worker turned president, who abolished slavery in the south!
VS.
Barack Obama. America's first Black President, who altered health care on a wide scale!
Who. Is. Deadliest?!



Thank you, sir, for starting this debate.

On a sidenote, I hope this is actually a fight debate, and that this isn't going to be a flame-war.
Debate Round No. 1
PatriotPerson

Pro

1. Lincoln can ACTUALLY fight.

Abraham Lincoln was known for his skill in wrestling. There was one instance where Lincoln was challenged by the leader of a gang to a wrestling match. Lincoln accepted, and the fight went a little something like this:
Yes, that is Abe holding the other man.


2. Military Skills

Abraham Lincoln was a Captain in the Black Hawk War. Therefore, Abe has had military training, meaning that he definitely can fight. However, Obama has never been in the military. Thus, he lacks the fighting skills that Lincoln has.


3. He fights Vampires

I mean seriously. If Lincoln can fight and kill vampires, he shouldn't have a single problem fighting Obama.
This also gives Lincoln an axe. And what does Obama get? Oh yeah that's right. Scandals.


Kumquatodor

Con

I assume that rebuttals are round three, so I will rebut next round.

Height
It is true that Lincoln was a tall man. 6'4. That is tall by even todays standards. However, Obama is by no means short. He is 6'1, which is fairly tall. So lincoln does not have a significant size difference.

Speed
I reckon that Obama is faster and more agile, due to his smaller size and Basketball skills.

Health
Obama would be in a better physical condition compared to ole Abe. Even at 60, Obama would have access to the finest healthcare, and modern stuff at that. Abraham was recorded as having several possible deseases including, but not limited to, Malaria, Smallpox, Pnamonia, and several other ailments that wore him down. Indeed, the year before his assassination, there is evidence to support that he had malaria! Abe might be able to fight, but at 51, he would be very old, would be very weak, and his previos years' illnesses would take their toll.

Debate Round No. 2
PatriotPerson

Pro

Height
You argue that Obama is too a tall man. However, I don't see a way of which height effects your performance in a fight. Even if that did give Obama the advantage, it would be small. Abe's and Obama's height differences are only a matter of three inches apart.


Speed
From the previous paragraph, you have argued that Obama has an advantage because he is smaller. In this one, you discuss this point again, but this time you say that Obama would be faster due to his smaller size. However, I see no way in which smaller height gives you more speed. The only thing of this matter would be that if you are larger in weight, you are slower. But history has shown us that Lincoln had just the right amount of muscle but was still a thin man.


Sports
From http://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org... , "For Mr. Lincoln, athletics was not just a way of explaining his political
situation. It was a way into politics." This shows that Lincoln was not only a fan of sports, but he took attendance in them, such as notable prowess in wrestling. Evidence also shows that Lincoln was an excellent horshoe-pitcher, obviously giving him the arm and accuracy for a fight that he is sure to win.


Health
Lincoln and Obama would have access to the same health insurance. If you are arguing that both should fight at the age of 60, then Obama would be out of office by that time. If Obama is out of office, he cannot force all of his once-loved healthcare on himself. Plus, since Lincoln was a former president and a legendarily (I think I just coined a word) good president, everyone would love him so much and give him certainly enough health. Besides, Abe still does fight vampires. Finally, with 3 hours preparation (I believe I specified that) Lincoln should be able to dose on appropriate medicine, train, and make sure he is in tip-top shape for the fight, since he certainly has the mind to do that.


Kumquatodor

Con

1. Lincoln can ACTUALLY fight.
Maybe when he was younger, but now he is a we bit to old for that to be a factor. I don't doubt that the current President has some skill, but at 51 years old, it will be endurance and sheer strength.
2. Military Skills
Again, when he was younger, he was likely unmatched in physical prowess, but now, after sickness and serums have taken their toll, Obama has the ability to power through.
3. He fights Vampires
OH YAH?!?! OBAMA (aka Jerome da Gangsta) GREW UP IN DA GHETTO. HE HAD TO BEAT PEOPUL FOR DA LUNCH MONEH! HE LIVES WIT DA GHETTO MECHELLE (aka Latiffa). HE BEAT DA WITE MAN ALL AROUN!
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Height
I was just trying to show that Abraham's height would not be a significant advantage.
Speed
Obama, though definately larger, would have more lowerbody strength due to basketball. This would increase his speed and balance, I bet.
Sports
In his older age, he probably had to slow down, or at least lower his intensity. Again, injuries and illness take their toll. Meanwhile, Obama who, at worst, got shingles and broke an arm, and, at best, had a common cold and spraint a wrist. Either way, Obama seems to be in better condition.
Health
While Obama may not have always had the best health insurance (livmin in da ghetto), he certainly had some healthcare.

Even if Lincoln were to get medicine, would that fix years worth of illness? I say no.

About mentality, it was well documented that Lincoln was depressed. I think he'll set that aside for a moment, just because he's so determined to beat his enemy.
Debate Round No. 3
PatriotPerson

Pro

1. Lincoln can ACTUALLY fight.
Yes, Lincoln is 51 in this battle. However, Obama is 51 too. So if Lincoln is too old for his prowess, then we must consider Obama too old for his prowess just to be fair. Plus, usually, the skills you learn will stick with you the rest of your life unless you purposely forget them.
2. Military Skills
Again, the skills you learn will stick with you for the rest of your life.
3. He fights Vampires
That still can't compare with killing vampires. Obama had to fight people for lunch money, but Abraham slayed vampires (which are like 3x stronger than a human) with an axe just because he freakin wanted to.
4. Height
Height does not make an advantage nor a disadvantage.
5. Speed
First of all, Lincoln is larger than obama. Obama does not play basketball as often as he used to, for he mostly did at back in his high school days when he was known as, "Barry".
6. Sports
Again, their skills have to be equal and fair since they are both 51.
7. Health
Both competitors get equal healthcare. So Obama does not have more than Abe in this case.
Kumquatodor

Con

If Lincoln is too old for his prowess, then we must consider Obama too old for his prowess just to be fair.
We must keep in mind that Michelle is a fitness freak. Obama will be in good shape.
Lincoln, however, depressed. This would make him less likely to work out.
Again, the skills you learn will stick with you for the rest of your life.
Keep in mind, Abe wasn't active since he was... what? 30?
He has hadn't been trained in a decade. He would surely not retain his prowess.
However, Barry would still be fit due to Latiffa's orders of fitness.
That still can't compare with killing vampires.
Let's look at da facts:
NEVER GO OUT AT NIGHT!
ALWAYS CARRY SILVA BULLETS!
NEVER CARRY BLOOD AROUND!
Livin' in da hood is comparable to fightin vampires.
Obama does not play basketball as often as he used to
He is fit enough to be fast. Remember Latiffa's obsession with fitness. She took away my school's chicken nuggets.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by PatriotPerson 4 years ago
PatriotPerson
What does skin color have to do with anything?
Posted by xXCryptoXx 4 years ago
xXCryptoXx
Obama is more black than Abe.
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Reasons for voting decision: Basically once Con started to obviously lose he started going to unsupported and stereotypical reasons why Obama would win, which would be due to being black. Prop however, showed that Lincoln is a trained fighter, fought in the military, and slayed vampires which Con never actually refuted or responded to appropriately.
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Reasons for voting decision: S&G: "OH YAH?!?! OBAMA (aka Jerome da Gangsta) GREW UP IN DA GHETTO. HE HAD TO BEAT PEOPUL FOR DA LUNCH MONEH! HE LIVES WIT DA GHETTO MECHELLE (aka Latiffa). HE BEAT DA WITE MAN ALL AROUN!" This may be the first time I've seen someone otherwise fine at it, intentionally throw the point away. ARGUMENT: I'm discounting certain things that are not supported by sources (Lincoln's vampire slaying, his health being raised to modern standards, and any points about fairness...). Lincoln (even heavily diseased) remains a tough guy who knows how to fight, possessing military experience infinitely more harsh than modern day. Obama would hold his own for a bit, but having an evil wife (who stole Chicken nuggets from children?) isn't a large factor in the fight unless she is fighting in his place (which would be a separate debate). Lincoln would dominate. SOURCES: The picture and single link were heavily in pro's favor, but not by quite enough to sway the source vote.
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Reasons for voting decision: Clear victory for Pro. He explained a lot more of Lincoln's strengths and met the BOP.
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Reasons for voting decision: Countering the idiot even though pro won
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Reasons for voting decision: Lincoln is a vampire slayer haha