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mrmazoo
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bluejoewho
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12 Points

Absolute knowledge is possible.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/16/2008 Category: Science
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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mrmazoo

Pro

I believe that absolute knowledge is possible. My opponent, if someone agrees to this debate, will take the converse position: Absolute knowledge is impossible.
bluejoewho

Con

The very fact that we have to learn shows that we can never have absolute knowledge. For there is an infinite amount of things to learn.
Debate Round No. 1
mrmazoo

Pro

The fact that we have to learn neither proves nor disproves the claim that absolute knowledge is possible.

It is possible that there might be some bit of knowledge that, once learned, we can be absolutely sure about, in which case the necessity of learning does not contradict the claim that absolute knowledge is possible.

For example, we need to learn arithmetic (we aren't born knowing it), but once we learn it we don't go around wondering if we're really sure that 1 + 1 = 2 or not. So, if arithmetic could be shown to be a domain of absolute knowledge, the fact that we need to learn arithmetic doesn't contradict that claim.

However, I am not going to attempt to show that arithmetic is such an example of absolute knowledge.

In order to prove my case, all I need to do is show ONE example of a claim that we must be absolutely sure about; that can not be controverted in any way. That claim is the following:

Something exists.

I maintain that the claim above is 100% reliably true. There is nothing that could convince me that it is false. There is no amount of money I would not bet against someone taking the converse position: Nothing exists.

The very act of attempting to show the statement to be false, proves that the statement is true. Even if you say that perhaps all of what I call reality is just a dream, that is STILL SOMETHING.

Even if everything else is in doubt, at least this ONE statement can be absolutely relied upon and therefore I have proven that absolute knowledge is possible.
bluejoewho

Con

I now I understand where you are coming from. I thought your definition of "absolute knowledge" was knowing everything there is to know. After reading your argument I know understand where you are coming from. You mean its possible to know "absolutely" weather something is correct or not. Now knowing what you meant I agree with you. (this sucks because this is my first debate) Sorry for misunderstanding what you were trying to debate.

I guess this means I concede.
Debate Round No. 2
mrmazoo

Pro

Sorry for the confusion.

Yes, I simply meant that it was possible to have absolute knowledge of something, not that it was possible to have absolute knowledge of everything.

Actually, this is in fact somewhat of a controversial statement as there are many hard-core philosophers who do not believe absolute knowledge is even possible.

However, I simply don't see how those philosophers can get around the claim that something exists. The very act of CONSIDERING such a statement proves that it is true. Indeed, how can you even acknowledge the statement (let alone consider it) without proving it to be true?

Anyway, thanks for the debate.

Good luck in your others.
bluejoewho

Con

Well you can still forfeit if you would like. I guess I have to have at least 100 words. Twelve more.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by bluejoewho 9 years ago
bluejoewho
that is sad isn't it. I even threw my vote his way.
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Shame. The con conceded and yet Mrmazoo is losing.
Posted by bluejoewho 9 years ago
bluejoewho
I felt bad so I gave it back. I did concede. You would think people would of read that.
Posted by mrmazoo 9 years ago
mrmazoo
Wow. Not that I care, but the way debate's are voted on is clearly flawed.

Too funny.

I'm changing my vote to bluejoewho too.
Posted by mrmazoo 9 years ago
mrmazoo
Words might not be absolute knowledge, but they are still something.
Posted by Shorack 9 years ago
Shorack
The terms 'something' and 'exists' aren't absolute knowledge.
So that makes the statement not absolute.

If there would be absolute knowledge, you can't write it down, you can't even think about it cause that would cause your mind to use words again and words aren't absolute knowledge.
Posted by mrmazoo 9 years ago
mrmazoo
And you apparently missed my point, Kleptin.
Posted by Yraelz 9 years ago
Yraelz
Plato's definition of knowledge might have been useful in this debate....
Posted by aceofelves 9 years ago
aceofelves
the word NOTHING exists :)

but what is nothing? and what is existing?
Posted by Kleptin 9 years ago
Kleptin
That's exactly my point x.x
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