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Academic qualification affects success.

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Started: 4/12/2012 Category: Education
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DarkyPwnz

Con

My fellow debater,
While education is a big part of our life, it is by no means imperative for success. The current educational systems over the world standardize people as if they were machines coming from the same factory. People are being taught the same things, given similar tasks and going through similar job interviews.

On the other hand, people who manage to get out of the educational system while doing their own studies are much more successful. Some examples for this would be Steve Jobs, who dropped out of Reed College; Bill Gates, who is a successful businessman and enterpreneur who dropped out of Harvard College. Some other examples like Mark Zuckerberg and Albert Einstein could be given.

These people got out of the educational systems of their countries but they still managed to achieve success. In fact, it is fair to say that they are much more successful than many people who had completed their education.

Therefore, I believe that education can only achieve its own definition of success, which is having a relatively standard career without much actual success in terms of earnings or progress.
Multinational

Pro

First of all we have to define quality education. According to a report from UNICEF quality education includes students which are healthy, well-nourished and ready to participate and supported in learning by their families and communities and the environment should be healthy, safe, protective and gender-sensitive.[1] Outcomes that encompass knowledge, skills and attitudes, and are linked to national goals for education and positive participation in society.
The impacts of education reflect to the succession on job interviews. The aim of education is to develop the children's talents, personality and mental and physical abilities.[2] That's why academic qualification will affect job interviews even though the tasks are similar in job interviews.
According to IB learner profile [3] learners should be knowledgeable and thinker. That's why students will not be the same if they can reach to the quality education even though the education is the same students will research and reach to more knowledge. That's why "machine" metaphor argument is invalid.
The people who manage to get out of the educational system while doing their own studies are not much more successful. Those are really exceptional examples since those people "invented" something different and that's why they managed to earn money. Although in real life you have to be qualified a successful college to enter a good job.
Einstein could be a drop out but in fact he entered to Zurich University afterwards.[4]
That's why it is quite understandable that academic qualification affects success.
Bibliography:
1- http://www.unicef.org...
2- http://www.unesco.org...
3- http://www.ibo.org...
4- http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
DarkyPwnz

Con

In his speech, my opponent mentioned that according to IB learner profile, learners are supposed to think and conduct research. While it is arguable how well this is integrated into most educational bodies, lets have a look at the situation assuming every learner on planet Earth think and conduct research.

At the Internet age, conducting research is very easy. Writing one line on a search engine such as Google will give you countless answers. Indeed, conducting research is very easy, and that's why it is a problem. It is already hard enough to dig important and correct information out of the sea of knowledge, and when a learner picks up the correct information,it is often the same as another learner picked up. This makes the results of most researches strikingly similar if not completely the same, thus eliminating differences between two learners.

The current educational systems are similar to bakeries that make the same type of cake every day. Sure it tastes good, but it is all the same. Even if students do research, they end up with the same results. However, everything until now was optimistic thinking, the truth is, most educational bodies (namely schools) at the moment cannot make learners willingly conduct research and think. They force learners to learn exactly what they are told and give tasks such as homeworks for them to memorize the "knowledge" completely, and even go as far as punishing people for not memorizing the "knowledge" they provide.

Therefore, no matter how good a person is at memorizing knowledge he or she is being given, there is a limit to what they can achieve. A cake from the same bakery can only taste so good the next time it is made.

The people mentioned are just a few examples, as most of the successful people studied and conducted research on their own to get where they are.

On a last note, it is fair to say that while times are changing, schools have failed to do so. They force people to do as they tell them, and they are more of a burden to learners than a helping hand.
Multinational

Pro

First of all I would like to say that while we are debating on 'academic qualification' I believe it is irrelevant to say that "most educational bodies do not promote an education as IB learner profile suggest" because IB learner profile is approved from a lot of quality education bodies[1]. If we are debating about "qualification" we cannot say that IB learners or students with same quality will be as successful as other students. As our topic is "Academic qualification affects success." it is a quite strong prove to show academic qualification affects success. As my opponent has also mentioned education is a key statement for job interviews. That's why academically qualified students will be more successful in job interviews since they are knowledgeable, thinker, communicator etc...

Secondly I would like to say that search engines such as Google can give you more than two thousand websites and you can find countless answers. However it is usually very hard to distinguish the correct information and only the students that learned how to research something well will select the correct and useful information. My opponent has also mentioned this in their speech. However it will be excessively ironic if we say that this makes the results of most researches strikingly similar as my opponent has just said. Those students that haven't taken a lesson about how to research something will not simply distinguish the correct and useful information. That's why their research will be more general and unreliable while academically qualified students' research is quite specific and trustworthy. This is the reason why we read scientific articles from researches of several universities but we are sceptical about some others'. A reliable research causes differences between two learners.

I am really confused because my opponent said that educational systems are similar to bakeries that make the same type of cake everyday. Some countries such as Japan has quite tough examination systems to eliminate some students[2][3]. Moreover could my opponent please explain the reason of the huge amounts of requirements in order to apply to some universities such as MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford etc... [4][5][6][7] I can simply explain it: because those universities provide quality educational systems which will squarely affect students' success. That's why those universities simply eliminate thousands of students to distinguish the correct ones by using interviews, essays, biographical forms, exams (SAT, ACT, TOEFL etc...).

Educational systems are like bakeries. Students are the customers of them, some buy the correct cookies and eat them but some just buy expensive candies and waste their money. The "money" metaphor refers to "time". Some students waste their time but some of them study and practice. Those students that have studied and practiced will be academically qualified ones and they will be successful in their job interviews.

Lastly I would like to ask that: can they even think that a student which has graduated from MIT and a student which has graduated from a random high schools are the same? Will their success in their job interviews or in life be the same? I reckon everybody including my honorable opponent know the answer.

References:
1- http://www.ibo.org...
2- http://www.dnc.ac.jp...
3- http://en.wikipedia.org...
4- http://mitadmissions.org...
5- http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu...
6- http://admission.stanford.edu...
7- http://www.ox.ac.uk...
Debate Round No. 2
DarkyPwnz

Con

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Multinational

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