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G_Skeptic-Guy
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kmoss
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Acknowledging Black Peoples significantly lower racial intelligence standards isn't racist

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Started: 5/7/2017 Category: Society
Updated: 8 months ago Status: Debating Period
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G_Skeptic-Guy

Pro

Round one is acceptance only (no arguments)
Rounds two through four are full on flat-out arguments (no rebuttals)
Round five is rebuttals and conclusions

I will provide resources for my claims and as my arguments begin, progress and conclude!
kmoss

Con

Pointing out the fact that African Americans (or any other group) do not score as highly on standardized tests doesn't really prove anything except that they, as a community, are currently undeserved by our educational system. Standardized tests should only be used to determine where resources are most needed--not to predetermine how much an individual (or a group) will be able to contribute to society. While numbers themselves aren't racist, facts can be used to support racist agendas. Practically, bringing up the "fact" that African Americans don't score as highly on standardized tests outside the context of where educational/research resources should be spent does nothing but fuel the racist ideology that African Americans are a "lesser race." (And yes, that is racist.)

PC speech isn't "fair speech", but it exists because people are tired of being told that it's been predetermined they will not achieve as much in life due to circumstances they cannot control. In fact, since no physiological reason for why African Americans tend to score lower on tests has been found, I'd posit that it's likely (at least in part) due to "background racism." Similar to how black girls picked the white doll over the black doll when they were asked which one was "pretty and smart" because they were taught not to recognize their own inherent beauty and abilities, African Americans who have the (sometimes unconscious) belief that failure is inevitable regardless of how hard they try are actually more likely to fail or not fulfill their potential. Again, facts can be used for racist ends, and that is certainly the case when facts are used to cow and hurt certain populations to keep them down.

While percentages like "85% of blacks don't score as highly as whites on tests" have a lot of shock value as headlines, it doesn't actually mean as much as people think. Most people are still around average intelligence. The point of standardized tests is to find outliers (people who are naturally brilliant and should be placed in honors classes, and people who need more help and should be placed in remedial classes). Standardized tests were intended to be used to help everyone reach their full potential (whether they actually accomplish this is a different debate). This is important information for educators, social workers, healthcare providers, etc. It doesn't affect the education requirements of any African Americans within the "average range." Bringing it up in a casual context does nothing but hurt a group of people and make them believe that they are more likely to fail. That, to me, sounds very racist.

The more people use facts to support racist ends, the less likely people are to look at facts rationally and to use facts to solve real-world problems. Merely "acknowledging Black Peoples significantly lower intelligence standards" is racist because the only reason why you'd acknowledge it is to make yourself feel better by diminishing another group of people. And yes, that is racist. Unless you're interested in using such information to improve the lives of others, you shouldn't bring it up. Doing so makes it harder for everyone else to look at the problem objectively and actually solve it.
Debate Round No. 1
G_Skeptic-Guy

Pro

You're single handedly the most deplorable and degrade insignificant insolant troll on the face on the internet.



You're just as unintelligent as those blacks who's IQ on their peak friend is as good as a mental retard.

"acceptance only (no arguments)" you know when that is specified that MEANS ACCEPTANCE ONLY NO ARGUMENTS AND I'M REPORTING YOU ASKING FO YOUR BAN!
kmoss

Con

This was my first time debating on debate.org. I thought that when you accepted you also wrote out your argument. My fault for not reading the rules thoroughly enough. This isn't a mistake I'll make again.

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Pointing out the fact that African Americans (or any other group) do not score as highly on standardized tests doesn't really prove anything except that they, as a community, are currently undeserved by our educational system. Standardized tests should only be used to determine where resources are most needed--not to predetermine how much an individual (or a group) will be able to contribute to society. While numbers themselves aren't racist, facts can be used to support racist agendas. Practically, bringing up the "fact" that African Americans don't score as highly on standardized tests outside the context of where educational/research resources should be spent does nothing but fuel the racist ideology that African Americans are a "lesser race." (And yes, that is racist.)

PC speech isn't "fair speech", but it exists because people are tired of being told that it's been predetermined they will not achieve as much in life due to circumstances they cannot control. In fact, since no physiological reason for why African Americans tend to score lower on tests has been found, I'd posit that it's likely (at least in part) due to "background racism." Similar to how black girls picked the white doll over the black doll when they were asked which one was "pretty and smart" because they were taught not to recognize their own inherent beauty and abilities, African Americans who have the (sometimes unconscious) belief that failure is inevitable regardless of how hard they try are actually more likely to fail or not fulfill their potential. Again, facts can be used for racist ends, and that is certainly the case when facts are used to cow and hurt certain populations to keep them down.

While percentages like "85% of blacks don't score as highly as whites on tests" have a lot of shock value as headlines, it doesn't actually mean as much as people think. Most people are still around average intelligence. The point of standardized tests is to find outliers (people who are naturally brilliant and should be placed in honors classes, and people who need more help and should be placed in remedial classes). Standardized tests were intended to be used to help everyone reach their full potential (whether they actually accomplish this is a different debate). This is important information for educators, social workers, healthcare providers, etc. It doesn't affect the education requirements of any African Americans within the "average range." Bringing it up in a casual context does nothing but hurt a group of people and make them believe that they are more likely to fail. That, to me, sounds very racist.

The more people use facts to support racist ends, the less likely people are to look at facts rationally and to use facts to solve real-world problems. Merely "acknowledging Black Peoples significantly lower intelligence standards" is racist because the only reason why you'd acknowledge it is to make yourself feel better by diminishing another group of people. And yes, that is racist. Unless you're interested in using such information to improve the lives of others, you shouldn't bring it up. Doing so makes it harder for everyone else to look at the problem objectively and actually solve it.
Debate Round No. 2
G_Skeptic-Guy

Pro

YOu and this debate is nothing more than a cringe inducing smug pc liberal waste of time and energy.


First: The debate title says: "Acknowledging Black Peoples significantly lower racial intelligence standards isn't racist" NOT "Acknowledging black people's typically lower IQ for nowhere or as bait for racism is racist" I'm never debating a new user ever again they're amateurs and have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

Second: You recycled the same argument!

Third: I'll proudly debate you when you're more ready and this subject matter to someone an ultimate IQ
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by missmedic 8 months ago
missmedic
Acknowledging American Peoples significantly lower racial intelligence standards isn't racist.
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