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dweyand07
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Nails
Con (against)
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Adolf Hitler is not a Jewish nor Homosexual.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/11/2010 Category: Education
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 17,780 times Debate No: 10799
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dweyand07

Pro

Adolf's grandmother worked for Jewish family as a cook. Hitler is Austrian-born, but became German politician.

Hitler was not Jewish or gay. A Lot of people dislike gay people because they are grossed out by it, that doesnt make them a gay person trying to keep it a secret. Hitler was probably sickened by it . But there is no evidence about him being gay or not, even though he married a woman. There is no evidence of him being Jewish. The reason why he wanted to hide his past was because insanity was very dominant in his family... As you can tell he was also crazy!

He killed the jews because he thought they were inferior and imperfect. If he was one of them the genecide would not have happened. He also blamed them for the cause of losing the world war one, and rejected his painting, and the mother's death, and the doctor was Jewish.

Also, Jewish is a religion, not a race. His parents were Roman Catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Nails

Con

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=The Dude was Gay=
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Hitler set up entire camps full of sex slaves to which he could visit so satisfy his perverted sexual desires. He clearly had a fetish for underfed Jewish males, as seen here: http://www.debate.org...

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=Hitler was Jewish=
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"Jewish is a religion, not a race."

Jewish might not be a race, but it is an ethnic group. Hitler could have been part of that ethnic group without believing in the Jewish religion.

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=Burden of Proof=
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My opponent has instigated this debate as well as proposed this resolution. It is thus upon him to prove the resolution true. I'm not sure how PRO could ever conclusively testify to what Hitlers feeling towards God or little Jewish boys were.

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=Hitler was a Merry Old Fellow=
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Gay

1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.
3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.
4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5. homosexual.

One need not meet every definition of a word to be considered such word. For example, America is in a depression. This doesn't necessarily mean America is a slight hole in the ground, or that its economy is sad. It means our economy is doing poorly, or in a recession. PRO, after realizing his imminent lost, might be in depression. This doesn't mean that his economy is doing poorly, or that he is a hole in the ground, either. One need not meet every potential definition of 'depression' to consider something a depression, simply one of them. In the same way, Hitler must only meet one definition of gay.

I would imagine that Hitler was quite merry for a long period of time, having taken over Germany and much of Europe.
He was quite showy, constantly appearing in public despite numerous assassination attempts.
He most likely indulged in many social pleasures, being a gregarious leader amongst his people.
Finally, he also very well might have had an eye for the ladies (or little Jew boys for that matter.)
Debate Round No. 1
dweyand07

Pro

There is no prove or evidence saying that Hitler is gay or gay as in happy. If you can read what the title of the debate says "homosexual" which clearly point out on which type of "gay" I'm talking about.
That picture is photoshopped. He has never been to the concreted camp as far as people know.
He had a wife, Eva Bruan, not a boyfriend or husband.

Being Jewish is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry or biological distinction. People of many different races have become Jewish people over the years.

Being Jewish is not a nationality because Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for almost two thousand years. People of many different nationalities are Jewish.

http://judaism.about.com...
Nails

Con

•"That picture is photoshopped. He has never been to the concreted camp as far as people know."

My opponent provides absolutely no source for his outlandish statement. I've at least provided some sort of evidence, and PRO criticizes it on the unwarranted assertion that is Photoshopped. I don't even have Adobe Photoshop on my computer!

•"He had a wife, Eva Bruan, not a boyfriend or husband."

He had a husband, Evan Bruan. Over the years, homophobic Germans have tried to hide this with their clever propoganda. He never once had a wife named Eva; that is just an intentional misspelling used to hide the truth of the matter.

Here is a picture of Evan Bruan as proof: http://temple.fpsbanana.com...

Here's quite a few pictures of hitler expressing his true feelings as well:
http://files.sharenator.com...
http://files.sharenator.com...
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu...

What proof does PRO have? Nothing.

•"Being Jewish is not a race"

I didn't say it was.

•"Being Jewish is not a nationality"

I didn't say it was.

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I'd also like to point out quickly that PRO dropped the argument that he has the burden of proof, yet has failed to give proof to support the claim that Hitler was not a Homosexual Jew.
Debate Round No. 2
dweyand07

Pro

1) I'd like to let the record clearly stand that I never implicated respondant poster in falsifying an image modifying media. It is however painfully obvious that the image provided is quite poorly fabricated and of subpar grade-school material.

2) Secondly, It is very clear in every scholarly source available that Adolf Hitler was married to one Eva Braun circa 1945 after years of an intimate relationship.
source: http://www.britannica.com...
http://www.javno.com...
http://www.axishistory.com...

3) Returning to the issue of the photograph in question. How does the respondant poster explain the Hitler sillouette being in color, while the rest of the photograph is greyscale?

4) And finally, more obviously photoshopped or illustrated recreations of Adolf Hilter do not meet the respondants criterion for 'Burden of Proof'. The respondents issuance of such poorly fabricated, ill-found and semi-pornographic misrepresentation should easily discredit his argument

Due to the use of falsified imagery, fabricated facts and blatant combativeness of the responder, I hereby close the debate on my end and let the facts I've revealed stand.
Nails

Con

•"That picture is photoshopped."
•"the image provided is quite poorly fabricated and of subpar grade-school material."

•"I never implicated respondant poster in falsifying an image"

I'd like to 'implicate respondant poster' in contradicting himself.

No subpar grade-schooler could use MS Paint or Adobe Photoshop remotely effectively, let alone create such a masterful replication of a 1940s photgraph.

•"source: http://www.britannica.com...
http://www.javno.com...
http://www.axishistory.com...;

His first source, Encyclopedia BRITANnica is incredibly unreliable because:
1) European appliances don't work in America. This includes encyclopedias.
2) Britain obviously held a grudge with Germany after WWII. They can't supply unbiased German history.

His other sources are incredibly reliable, but pretty dam*ing for his own case. Upon close examination, one will clearly see Evan Braun dressed as a woman in Hitler's close company. My opponent is showing pictures of Adolf Hitler in close proximity (in private) with a gay cross-dresser. This is hardly beneficial to his case.

Next, he also hasn't addressed the other sources I provided that clearly weren't photoshopped.

http://files.sharenator.com...
http://files.sharenator.com...
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu...
http://temple.fpsbanana.com...

•"How does the respondant poster explain the Hitler sillouette being in color, while the rest of the photograph is greyscale?"

It wasn't in greyscale. The entire concentration camp, including the molested and malnourished Jewish boys, was painted grey. This was just another of Hitler's weird sexual fantasies, most likely.

•"illustrated recreations of Adolf Hilter do not meet the respondants criterion for 'Burden of Proof'"

I don't have the burden of proof. PRO does.

•"The respondents issuance of such poorly fabricated, ill-found and semi-pornographic misrepresentation should easily discredit his argument

My opponent's issuance of no evidence whatsoever should easily discredit his argument.

•"I hereby close the debate on my end and let the facts I've revealed stand."

By all means, PRO can 'close the debate on his end' (whatever that means) but he can't let the facts that he has somehow 'revealed' stand, seeing as he has given no valid rebuttal to the majority of my arguments.

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=Summary=
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First, my opponent has completely ignored the argument that he has the burden of proof, and yet still provided no real evidence whatsoever to suggest that Hitler did not sleep with malnourished Jewish boys, or that he was not Jewish himself.

Second, my opponent has completely ignored the argument that 'Jewish' is an ethnic group that Hitler quite easily could have been a part of. He can't just ignore the arguments against the resolution that he doesn't like, and that includes this one.

Third, PRO continues to attack my clear and condemning pictures of Hitler being a flaming homosexual, while providing sources that support the point that he is trying to reject.

Vote CON. Hitler enslaved and assaulted poor, malnourished Jewish boys.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
Seconded.
Posted by bigtree 6 years ago
bigtree
EPIC WIN for Nails :)
Posted by Nails 6 years ago
Nails
The only argument you focused on at all was the one that was clearly meant to be humorous. You ignored the two serious arguments (that being Jewish is an Ethnic group, and that you didn't meet your burden of proof.) Perhaps if you had invested time in the actual arguments instead of attacking the one you thought would be easiest to beat, then you wouldn't have this problem.
Posted by dweyand07 6 years ago
dweyand07
Nails, don't complain about what other people did. Your debate was full of it. Using fake portrait pictures of Hitler. I bet you looked up "Gay Hitler" in Google or other search site to find these pictures. Also, maybe he voted for me because he agreed with me. Not because I didn't say something that he said. You just want people to vote for you for amusing them for insulting Hitler instead of being serious about it.
Posted by Nails 6 years ago
Nails
Your voting for my opponent based on something he never said. It's HIS burden to prove that, not yours.
Posted by the-good-teacher 6 years ago
the-good-teacher
Hitler was Catholic, and a Freemason, to find out what a person was not, we must find out what he was, only one Nazi was ever excumunicated from the catholic faith, and that was for divorcing his wife !

The Mormons baptized Hitler in their London temple (freemason style, as they are run by Freemasons) and later sealed him to his wife in the USA.

the good teacher ;)
Posted by Clockwork 6 years ago
Clockwork
"1) European appliances don't work in America. This includes encyclopedias."
Posted by brian_eggleston 6 years ago
brian_eggleston
Funny, funny, funny! Loved Nails' "evidence" - he deserves to win just for that!
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
Not to mention that just because he may have set up a place for gay slaves doesn't necessarily mean that he's gay... but I digress :)
Posted by Logical-Master 6 years ago
Logical-Master
Personally, if I were PRO, I would've just conceded to all of CON's evidence while pointing out that Hitler had also shown interest in women, hence indicating that he is bisexual. All in a humorous fashion no doubt since that seems to be pretty important in debates like these.
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