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Affirmative Action

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Started: 5/27/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Tatarize

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The greatest indicator in today's society for where a person will end up in life is where they started in life. Nowhere is this more true for minorities where racism and bigotry has repeatedly and throughout the generations squandered any chance at the American dream. It is the duty of government to give everybody an equal shake at life. The concept of liberty is not simply a lack of chains but a chance at gains. The opportunity to do better than our fathers.

The first and most well known step of affirmative action was to eliminate racial bias in the case of Brown v. Board of Education which resulted in a busing system such that individuals from white neighborhoods and those from minority neighborhoods could end up getting the same opportunities. Prior to the decision everybody simply went to the closest school and if that school happened to be a majority minority school, it just happened to get far less money and far less support. After breaking down the idea of "separate but equal" we were left with what what amounted to the same thing without the mandate. We needed to take an affirmative action to make sure that equal opportunities were had by all.

We needed to take action to make the institutions of this fine country free of bias after it had been entrenched for so long it wasn't simply going to go away because we said it was wrong in a loud voice.

Affirmative action is an attempt to make sure that everybody gets a fair shake in society. That you can't simply hire people who look like you and deny the opportunities to those who don't. We don't simply take your word that you hired the best and the brightest and they happened to be the whitest. We need to make sure that those of our fathers generation and their father's generations are allowed to rise to their full potential and not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Admittedly the idea of quotas within affirmative action was a mistake. However, allowing individuals to suggest that all minorities just happened to be less qualified than their white counterparts is just as far from acceptable. Companies can hire whomever they want, they can freely choose one person over another. They can't, however, choose that person because of the color of their skin or gender and deny chances to those who have historically been denied chances.

Is it too much to ask that when policemen patrol an area that some fraction of that police force look like those they are policing? That we should take a stand against quiet racism and allow the hiring and firing of people to the point that the entire workforce happens to be all white men?

We can't just say "no" and leave it at that. The government needs to continue to take affirmative action to make sure that we banish the specter of racism, not simply the direct bigotry of hate, but also the scars left on those populations which were quelled by injustice and whose children do not have the opportunities of others because their parents didn't have the opportunity of others.

It's a vicious cycle and we need to take action, not just in word but deed, to make sure it dies with our father's generation.
diety

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Thank you tatarize for creating this debate.

Belonging to a minority group, I should know that discriminatory crimes against my race are nowhere near as bad as they were 30 years ago. Affirmative action was necessary back then, but it's not such a good idea now. To me it is reverse discrimination. Instead of me not getting a job because I'm black, I can steal my white buddy's job from him just because I belong to a minority group and he doesn't. It doesn't matter how qualified he is, or how qualified I am. We both do not have an equal opportunity; I have an advantage over him because of my race and that's discrimination.

Also, it ill-equips minority people because it lowers the bar for them just because of their race. It's like giving a twelfth grader a kindergarten test; acing that test does not constitute true achievement. True achievement comes with being able to live up to the standard expectation.

http://www.northbynorthwestern.com...

Also, affirmative action can hurt business. Companies who the government knows are the most qualified shouldn't lose contracts just because they don't have enough minority workers.

http://www.i2i.org...

Affirmative action was good during the civil rights movement.

But now it's outdated

Please vote CON

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