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AnthonyLiardo
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The_Old_Man
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Affirmative Action

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The_Old_Man
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/6/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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AnthonyLiardo

Con

I stand for the negative on Affirmative Action. I await my opponent's opening argument. There will be four rounds and there will be no fifth round affirmative as there is no first round negative.
The_Old_Man

Pro

I stand on the side of Affirmative Action for the following reasons.

The first settlement of the United States of America, Jamestown, located in what is now considered the Commonwealth of Virgina, was established in the year of our lord 1607.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

"Many of the settlers who came over on the initial three ships were not well-equipped for the life they found in Jamestown. A number of the original settlers were upper-class gentlemen who were not accustomed to manual labor; the group included very few farmers or skilled laborers.[5] The climate, location, and makeup of the settlement resulted in many settlers dying of disease and starvation." (Taken from the wiki link above)

The first African Slaves were bought to the Jamestown colony in the year of our lord 1619.
http://www.history.com...

Meaning that the physical settlement, i.e. the work that needed doing, required to build the resulting United States of America would only be done by the English alone for some 12 years before slaves, who had no rights to the ownership or bounties of the property or work that they worked on, would carry a large share of this physical labor.

Initially, naturalization into the United States was only available to "Free White Persons of Good Moral Character" in the year of our lord 1790. This meant that even though the slaves were here and were doing a major portion of the work to build this country, they could never call themselves or partake in any of the laws provided to an American citizen. And it would not be until 1870 that they would be included.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

The Native American, who already lived on the land prior to the English arriving, would be displaced farther and farther to the west as more and more settlements like Jamestown popped up. In 1830 the U.S., now established and run primarily by the same Europeans that came over during the settlements, or their offspring, would enact the Indian Removal Act, allowing the United States Government to say where the Native American could and could not live on their own land.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

In 1882 the United States severely curtailed the immigration of the Chinese, who had began immigrating to the states because of the need for cheap labor (The settlers now rich were not willing to share that wealth with even their own). And in the year of our lord 1892 were prohibited from coming into the United States all together with the enactment of "The act to prohibit the Chinese coming into the United States" or "The Geary act."
http://www.archives.gov...

These were actual laws meant to discriminate against one race of people for the benefit of another.

Discrimination would continue in the United States for years to come and laws would be enacted that would keep anyone but the white male from owning land, having rights, or owning a business and the slaves, who were completely not represented would not be freed until the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863. This would be some 244 years after the first African slaves set foot in Jamestown.

But discrimination did not end there. From 1867-1965 Jim Crow laws continue the systematic discrimination of the African American, the first and longest lived brother to the European in the New World, while just about every other race, other than the white man, would also be looked upon by the entity of the state as "inferior" and not "worthy" of the full measure of citizenship provided the white male.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

The white male didn't even consider the white female equal under the law, and it would not be until the Suffrage Movement and the resulting 19th Amendment, drafted in 1878 and not passed until 1919, some 41 years later, that they would be allowed voting rights, a right so critical to representation under the law that without it one may as well be a slave.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

And all the while the United States was building and growing, and only the white male was profiting.

So by the time of the Civil Rights Movement took place in 1964, all of these races and sexes of people had missed out on the settlement of the country, the industrial revolution, which took place between 1760 and 1840, the settling of the frontier, the California Gold rush, and a great many other major events in U.S. history that made very rich men out of many of the white males that were considered to be "citizens" at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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Meanwhile many of these same minorities participated in all of the wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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Helped build up the country.
http://cprr.org...

And did a great many other things that enabled that same white male citizen to prosper.

And so it is, that in the age of enlightenment, when we finally come to see how much everyone has contributed to the building of the great nation that is the United States of America, it is only right to make certain assurances that all races are represented in all aspects of our society, as though they were the part of the building of this great nation that they were, not as some tool that we used and now no longer have any use for.

That is not enlightenment.

Affirmative Action represents a form of "payback" to the nations of people whom we, as a country, have discriminated against for some 348 years (1619 to 1970 when women were finally included in the civil rights act), and we can hardly say that such a debt has been paid in a mere 46 years just because we don't care for the taste that such discrimination is now putting into our mouths.
Debate Round No. 1
AnthonyLiardo

Con

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The_Old_Man

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
AnthonyLiardo

Con

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The_Old_Man

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
AnthonyLiardo

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The_Old_Man

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
AnthonyLiardo

Con

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The_Old_Man

Pro

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Debate Round No. 5
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Vote Placed by kbub 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Let's not all resign at once, shall we?