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SirAndrew
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Affirmative action is bad for society.

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Started: 12/16/2007 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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SirAndrew

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Some claim that Affirmative Action is needed to counter so-called "prejudice" within the capitalist system.

This is patently false. A capitalist system does not see race- it sees talent. Success and opportunity should be based off talent and utility, not skin color.
topher

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I'm happy to be debating this particular issue, because I was converted to it. Once, I agreed with you, SirAndrew. But spending a year in an inner-city neighborhood changed my mind. I would LOVE to change your mind as well, but I doubt that will happen through an online debating forum. In my experience, experiences are what most effectively change a person's mind.

You say that the capitalist system does not see race. I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that the process by which we move our money about cannot see race, then you're right. Abstract concepts cannot see race, or anything for that matter.

But what i suspect you mean is that people, like employers, do not see race - that they only see talent and competency. This is obviously untrue. We all see race. It is impossible for me not to notice whether someone I'm talking to is Black, White, Asian, or whatever.

And unfortunately, we all have our own prejudices against (or for) everything, including race. This is a fact. Studies have been done where resumes have been sent out to business that are identical - except that one has a stereotypically "White" sounding name (Bill, Steve, etc.), and one has a typically "Black" sounding name (Tyrone, DeMarkus, etc.). More often, the "white" name would be called in for an interview over the "Black" name.

Prejudice is real, and programs like Affirmative Action help minorities to succeed in a world that is engineered for them to fail. White people already have Affirmative Action working for them. Success is primarily based on who you know, and how much money you started out with. Think about all the jobs you've ever had. Did you get them all from your own pluck and determination? Or were some (if not most) facilitated by a preexisting relationship with someone withing the organization? There are more Whites in positions of power (a cursory glance at our Senate will prove that), and therefore Whites are in a better position to become successful.

Now, I think I've proved that Affirmative Action is by and large GOOD for society because it gives an edge to those who are already fighting against the current. Wouldn't you say leveling the playing field is good for society?

But your assertion is not that Affirmative Action is unfair to Whites or that it does no good for society. Your argument is that it is BAD for society. I'm interested in how you'll prove that. Supposing Affirmative Action works perfectly and all of a sudden there are as many Blacks, Asians, Indians, and so on in positions of power as there are Whites.

How is that BAD for society?
Debate Round No. 1
SirAndrew

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I still stand by the earlier statements that I made previously that are still that I just said. 7,900 characters remaining.
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Posted by sethgecko13 9 years ago
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SirAndrew -

The capitalist system itself doesn't see race - but the participants within it definitely do. That's why virtually every statistical indicator in existence illustrates a bias against racial minorities and women (especially in the private sector where affirmative action is voluntary).

Your understanding of how affirmative action works is wrong; it doesn't promote those lacking in qualifications - rather it says all things being equal - you strive to have a diverse workplace or a diverse campus.

I would also hasten to point out that affirmative action doesn't only benefit racial minorities and women - it benefits white males as well in areas where they're underrepresented (like professions such as early childhood education and nursing).
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