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Started: 7/4/2015 Category: Entertainment
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CATEGORY 2 DEBATESThis is a war debate. It is impossible to accept this debate. If you want to accept, please send me a PM. If you somehow find a way to accept this debate, you will automatically forfeit the complete 7 points. Tell me what country you will represent, and tell me why I should choose you to be my opponent; give me a very good reason as to why you want to do this debate and why you would be a worthy opponent. I am Angola. Comment if you are interested. If you want to debate, message me. Note: Any country on the Sahara is not allowed. If you are a member of the Art of War (AOW) debate group [created by @The-Voice-of-Truth], then you must vote on this debate. If you are a member of AOW and accept this debate, then state your win/loss ratio. If you are interested in joining AOW, message @TheRussian or @The-Voice-of-Truth. The primary prerequisite to join this group is: you have to have participated in AT LEAST ONE war debate. 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I accept the debate as south africa. I will be attacking.
South Africa
PwrIndx: 0.9233

Going beyond military equipment totals and perceived fighting strength is the actual manpower that drives a given military. Wars of attrition favor those with more.

Total Population: 48,375,645
Available Manpower: 25,913,422
Fit for Service: 14,093,327
Reaching Military Age Annually: 964,139]
Active Frontline Personnel: 88,565
Active Reserve Personnel: 17,100

Tank value includes Main Battle Tanks, light tanks and tank destroyers, either wheeled or tracked. AFV value includes Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) and Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs).

Tanks: 195
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 2,265
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 43
Towed-Artillery: 97
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 50

Includes both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft from all branches of service.

Total Aircraft: 209
Fighters/Interceptors: 17
Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 17
Transport Aircraft: 106
Trainer Aircraft: 67
Helicopters: 96
Attack Helicopters: 12

Aircraft Carrier value includes dedicated "helicopter carrier" vessels. Total naval strength includes all known auxiliaries as well.

Total Naval Strength: 30
Aircraft Carriers: 0
Frigates: 4
Destroyers: 0
Corvettes: 0
Submarines: 3
Coastal Defense Craft: 9
Mine Warfare: 4

Despite the advances made in battlefield technology, oil remains the lifeblood of any fighting force as well as local economy.

Oil Production: 192,000 bbl/day
Oil Consumption: 591,000 bbl/day]
Proven Oil Reserves: 15,000,000 bbl/day

War is as much a battle of logistics - moving man and machine from points all over - as it is direct combat. Labor Force reflects possible wartime industry strength.

Labor Force: 18,540,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 3]
Major Ports and Terminals: 5
Roadway Coverage: 362,099
Railway Coverage: 20,192
Serviceable Airports: 566

Regardless of military strength in numbers, war is still driven by financing as much as any one leader or weapon.

Defense Budget: $4,610,000,000
External Debt: $139,000,000,000
Reserves of Foreign Exchange and Gold: $48,460,000,000
Purchasing Power Parity: $595,700,000,000

Geographical values primarily figure into a defensive-minded war (i.e. invasion).

Square Land Area: 1,219,090 km
Coastline: 2,798 km
Shared Border: 5,244 km
Waterways: 0 km

Debate Round No. 1


July 5 One of South Africa's ships is sank by Angolan pirates. South Africa demands compensation.

July 6 Angola refuses.

July 8 Angolan citizens are detained in South Africa. Angola threatens war.

July 10 South Africa declares war.

July 12 Angolan army mobilizes. The currency is replaced by a non inflated currency prompting farmers to grow more as confidence grows in currency.

July 14 The Angolan Navy moves twords South Africa.


July 15

Reserves are called up, And more people join the army. As Evident by Number of Fit-for service, I can feed more people.

July 17
Mass manufacturing begins, Mass farming begins.

July 18
Heavy Rains Delay Naval Invasion for another day. (It's rainy At this time of he year.

July 19
PM Greatkitteh makes a deal with he DRC. My attack will be from there (You don't know this)

July 20
PM Greatkitteh makes a similar deal with Namibia

July 22
Long-Range radars (Mine are better then yours, even if I cant buy the s-300 yet) Detect The Naval Invasion.

July 23
Caber attack begins.

July 24
Heavy Rains End. The rooikats Are readied To Blitzkrieg Angola from two fronts. The navy is Deployed. Mk-IVF Is readied.

July 26
with Aid from SAM-ILS, A massive Blitzkrieg Followed by a large Tunnel invasion with SAM-ILS Begins.

August 1

40 Tanks lost and 2,000 Men dead, South Africa wins Ondiva, Md'vana Congo, and Lucpa. Angola loses 15 Figjters, 55 Tanks, and 3,500 Troops. (My troops were more equiped) A second Blitzkreg is planned for a Second time.
Debate Round No. 2


Those aren't towns.

August 2 The fleets meet. 3 frigates 2 subs and 22 ships South African ships and 21 Angolan ships

August 5 50 Angolan ships blockade Cape town 100 tanks 20 airplanes 20 Towed artillery and 30, 000 men attack the town.

August 9 Cape town is captured.

August 13 Langabaan and Hermanus is captured.

August 14 A deal is made with Lesotho to allow airplanes to be stationed there

August 15-30 Major factories are smashed at a loss of 23 to 14 airplanes. Inustry in South Africa is smashed.

August 16 Oudtshorn is captured.

August 18 Knysna is captured. 1

August 19 A major farm is burnt to the ground.

August 20 A large army of 20,000 soldiers and 50 tanks meets the Angolan Army.

August 22 After heavy fighting The South African Army retreats with 13,000 men and 34 tanks destroyed. Angola looses 9,000 men, 29 tanks, 3 fighter planes, and 4 artillery.

August 24 South African 3rd Army Holes up in Port Elizabeth.

August 29 25 ships, 40,000 soldiers, and 100 tanks invade Port Elizabeth from Sea. 21,000 men, 16 artillery, 17 fighter planes and 71 tanks invade from land.

September 1 Port Elizabeth is captured. South Africa looses everything. Angola looses 3,000 men 5 artillery, 6 fighter panes, 7 ships, and 46 tanks.

September 4 The armies merge and march for Bloemfontein.

September 21 Bloemfontein reached.


September 23

Having enough Joking time, South Africa throws all of it's rockets against Water Purification. You never Cyberattacked me, So its easy. 300 People die each day because dirty water, 50 Because no water.

September 24
Angola Sees something. Angola's entire army is stretched thin. Angola must Fight south Africa on the offensive, Guard the navy, Deal with anti-Corruption Protests, And Fight on Two fronts. South Africa musters the force in DRC to attack the Northern Front, And Namibia for the southern front.

September 25
Convincing BRICS that if SA's Industry & Farming fails, The BRICS bank will fail, BRIC makes HUGE investments to the industry, Agriculture. (Not direct help, its a investment)

September 26
The Blitzkrieg Victories begin.

September 27
With equipment The attacks begin In a Quick and Clean fashion.

12:00 am
Surprise Blitzkrieg And Success in capturing N'dalatando

Quick Capture of Ulge

12:30 (at the same time)

Swift capture of Lubango

Decisive Battle in the Cuebe River, South African Victory

Blitzkrieg of Caxito.
Re-Caputre of ouddstshorn.
The Quick Blitzkreg Raises Morale. Celebration is done in Victory, after victory.

I lose 20 Tanks, 1 Rocket lanuch, 1 Battleship, 3,000 Men
You lose 40 Tanks, 3 Aetillery, 2Fighters, 1 Helicopter, 2 Defense craft, 5,000 men.

Reason for victory was modern Supplies along with total Surprise. my cyber attacks Jammed your radars.

Rest of September
South Africa re-Farms, re-stocks, Fortify, and train. Supply lines are established, Tunnels are dug, Mouths are fed.

October 1st
A Huge force of Saab-Gripens, Rooivaks Bomb the attacking army in Bloefimfein. Your army is still There, But is severely damaged.

October 2nd
A wave of artillery is fired, And supplies are stolen from the Attacking army in bloefimfein. It will take Up to January 25 to re-stockpile, as Your army will starve otherwise. Meanwhile, My attacking Force is ready to attack Luanda.

October 4th

Total surprise Blitzkrieg On Luanda.

Also on the Other front, Swift Battle at memnongue

Surprise bombing of the Attacking army at Port Elizabeth. The Troops are easy targets.

A second wave of reinforcements land in Luanda. Angolan reinforcements are stopped by paratroopers, as My cyber Attacks are unopposed right now. I hacked your codes, intercepted Reinforcements At Sumbe.

Angolan Tanks and planes are finally ready to fight. The ships take too slow To Load and are already destroyed.

Two more blitzkriegs come from Caxito, Atlantic ocean. Your capital is entirely Surrounded and helpless.

Bombs are thrown at All water purification in your capital.

Wave of men from tunnel Invasions Horde on farms, Bases, Barracks.

Missiles are fired around the capital, Killing all Escaping civilians.

80% Of the capital is captured. The total surprise Swift raids are working.

Your Intelligence in the capital is down.

Your Third best general is captured.

Beaten, Angolia Surrenders The capital. At the sane time memnongue Is captured.

South Africa: 30,000 men, 20Vechinicles, 2 Rocket fire systems, 10 Tanks, 1Helictoper, 4 elite Paratroopers.

Angola:50,00 men, 30 Vechinicles, 15 Tanks, 5 Defense craft, 10 aircraft, 200,000 Civilians. (Most due too Famine and Thirst)

October 5th
South Africa makes a deal with Zambia to Raid on all fronts. Zambia is paid of .

October 6th
Cassi river is captured.

October 7th
Lungwebungu Is captured.

October 8th
Supplies are fortified, Start Planting crops for the winter. I Start To get ready For Killing animals, Hunting, Stockpiling water (So If you attack my water, I have a surplus) And Harvest Pumpkins.
Onions, Carrots, and peas can grow in the winter (I searched it up) , so those are planted, Giving me more food.
Debate Round No. 3


October 9 The remnants of the Angolan army march on your army. 100,000 men and the enite angolan air force slaughter your army and liberate the capital. Total War is declared.

October 23 The remnents of your army is pushed out by a 200,000 man force of angry soldiers.

October 25 the undicilpined mass runs amoke in your country burning, and pillaging. Your military is powerless to stop them.

October 26 The Angolan navy meats the South African Navy. Both are duly thrashed and run like scared dogs.

October 28 All but five South African planes have been destroyed.

October 30 7 bat bombs are detonated in every major city.


November 1
Counter-total war is declared

November 2
8 Bat bombs are detonated in every Major city Angola has left

November 4th
South Africa takes time to re-Group. Angola never stocked up for winter, So are slowly Forced out of South Africa

November 6th
Planes are Re manufactured, long range Rocket Launch systems fire at your planes. Zimbabwe Is paid Off To attack Attacking armies, Which are already starving. (Winter taken It's toll)

November 7th
Massive Building of Tanks.

November 10th
South Africa sends a Massive attack Force on Dondo.
(I lose 5Tanks, You lose 20,000men and 2 helicopters.)

November 11th

Yet Another Surprise attack when Winter takes it's toll and electricity is out, Lueana From the eastern front is out.

Heavy artillery fire At Muceanda, Troops come in To finish the job.

9 bat bombs are dropped at Mavinga, Forces at Mavinga are decimated easily.

Huge force in Menongue, Controlling HUGE amounts of territory. the Investments from BRICS is starting to Pay off.

Casualties: Me: 500,000 You: 600,000

November 12th
South Africa regroups and Re-stockpiles. Angola did not, so I have a stragetic Advantage

November 13th
Surrounded, And starving, Your capital Surrenders in shame with very little fighting. You couldn't have time to Fix your water. Your Air force is captured.
(Casualties: me: 30 Elite troops You: 30,000, captured 50 Planes and 5 Helicopters)

November 15th
Seeing as Angola is having trouble Re-Stockpiling, A Attack on all fronts begin.

November 16th
Massive amounts of your Attacking army is called back to defend. I take the opportunity to re-Group and Capture my Cities.

November 18th
Your Navy in river Cuanda Is messed up, Starving, And Attacked. South Africa captures The Cuanda River.
(Casualties: you: 10 Defense craft. me: 50 barrels of oil)

November 20th
Using the river to block Water, Angola faces a dehydration Crisis. Hydroelectricity is also out.
(Casualties: 10,000 each week)
November 22nd

Lubito, Vanguela Surrenders.
(Casualties me: 2 Planes, You: 40,000 Men, 40 Tanks)
November 23rd
South Africa Re-Piles, Fixes, and harvests.

November 24th

Without Supplies, Cubai surrenders.

Balamgo is Forced to surrender after Little fighting, Simply running out of Gunpowder.

The eastern front has a little trouble and is lashed back for a while, But Angola Stretched Thin Forces in the east, And is quickly Defeated. Seeing as The next city is Too far away the resources I have in the eastern front, South Africa Captures Rivers, Blocking out Water, Slowly dehydrating Angola.

The southern And Northern Front meets in the city of Gabella, Capturing it. The forces can now Thrust west, While My forces strike east.

Taking time re-grouping and trading supplies, Quibala and Balambo Surrenders.

(Casualties: me 5tanks, 10,000 men. You: 5 Defense craft, 500,000 men captured)

November 25th
Major re-Grouping and Re-stocking (So I won't be spread thin)

November 27th
Angola is constantly Dehydrating and Hit by Bat Bombs. A Treaty is offered.

Treaty of Africa
-South Africa Gives back water and all Territory captured, If Angola does the same.
-Angola surrender.
-Angola Give $50 Million to South Africa (Very Generous, Considering you bat bombed me)
-Both sides throw Away The bat bombs

November 30th
Just In case it's rejected, South africa regroups

December 2nd
wanting to end the South African victories in december to minimize Potential Angoka has and Making Winter take it's toll during Angola' s "Turn" Southvafrica continues to Plant and Harvest, As well as Grow Goats.
Debate Round No. 4


December 3rd The Angolan fury descends on the South African seat of government.

December 6th Angola implodes and anarchy reigns supreme.

December 9th Walle is assassinated.

December 14th Greathkitten is killed along with most of the South African government by the fury.

December 16th Angola pleads for help from the U.N. to step in and stop the anarchy.

December 17 the anarchists begin seizing control of Angolan and South African cities.

December 18 The remnants of Angolan's government are destroyed by anarchists.

December 24th the U.N. sends troops and orders that all fighting ends immediately.

December 26th both sides comply.

Aftermath Angola is in shatters. Gradually is rebuilds as an anarchist state. South Africa;s government remains intact but it takes months to finally defeat the fury. Both countries mourn their dead leaders.

Greatkitten I will never surrender but the war is over. I played my finale card and it cost me my life. Angola would have won had I cyber attacked but I made one mistake. Good war debate. Please waive finale round and eveyone vote for Greatkitten. He won.


As I Must waive the round, Great war debate to walle_ras, This was one of my most challenging War debate.

meanwhile at South africa, Angola's Goverment. . .

Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
Even easier To attack, Right under my Artillery range & Border secruity.
Posted by walle_ras 2 years ago
They were in your stoopid city.
Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
Even so ,I outnumbered your Population , Agriculture, And economy, So i could still break your lines. If you Moved All your troops on offense, Breaking lines are very wasy, And That meabs The Bulk of your troops are right in My Artillery Range. Either way, U could subject The Bulk kf your army with Explosives.

And If your troops are All in Offense, Reallise You have to go online everytime I attack, You Won't Have Enough Intelligence To Move Your troops Back otherwise. If Bulk of your army is Offline, I could simply Speed past your troops , And Blitzkrieg Them anywaym
Posted by walle_ras 2 years ago
No I wasn't if you notice I said that I move most of my army to one location.
Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
Also, Fast troop kovements are allowed, And Easy if aren't Online. I can attack your army.
Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
If you aren'T online, That just makes thw Job easier. I have 50 Launchers at the beginning Of my War, And i made more. As for the navy, I could make my Ships, Whilst you attacked at the beginning of the war. I waited until round 3 to attack.
Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
You are spread thin. Your Navy is in the alantic, You have to Guard Four Fronts, Your offensive, Up in DRC , South , And later in the east.
Posted by walle_ras 2 years ago
You don't have any battle ships either.

I was not spread thin. My entire army was in one place. Except for the troops guarding my unloading docks therefore you breaking my lines are void. Also how did you get missles? On cyber warfare I am not online. You can't take me out when all tech is offline. I void you stopping my troops. Your entire turn is one void mess of to fast troop movements and stuff.

tejerics rule
Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
Abgola has No Battleships to beat my navy
Posted by greatkitteh 2 years ago
Walle, Extactly What ships are in Your fleet? I dont see anything but Defense craft.
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Rayze 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Walle_ras conceded the debate to Greatkitteh placing the vote for con. However, this war debate ended in a Pyrrhic victory for Walle_ras since Angola repelled South Africa despite the loss of its central government and becoming a decentralized tribal state of various warlords. For those who don't know what a Pyrrhic Victory is, a Pyrrhic victory is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat like the one we've seen with Walle_ras vs Greatkitteh.