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lord_megatron
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LuckyGoHappy
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Agnostic (pro) vs atheist (con)

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lord_megatron
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/22/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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lord_megatron

Pro

God = The Creator of the universe
Atheism can be wrong as there can be a creator who has stopped influencing the universe. As to the infinite creators argument, God is referred to as "THE Creator" , therefore it can be said that he created himself.
LuckyGoHappy

Con

So, your points...

1. God could've created himself.
2. God was referred to as "The Creator"
3. God could've stopped influencing the universe.

First off, how can you possibly create yourself? Did you just decide to be born with no parents? It's not really possible, is it?

Secondly, just because God is referred to as some nickname doesn't mean he's real or did anything, really. If I was to start calling you "Sock-face" I doubt your face would start turning in to a sock.

Finally, if God was to just leave the universe, why would he? Does he have anything else to do? Probably not. If you got something as cool as a second, mini Earth at your control, I highly doubt you'd just leave it all of a sudden.
Debate Round No. 1
lord_megatron

Pro

"First off, how can you possibly create yourself? Did you just decide to be born with no parents? It's not really possible, is it?"
God isn't an organism, I think. He doesn't require someone else to create him. He is THE creator.
"Finally, if God was to just leave the universe, why would he? Does he have anything else to do? Probably not. If you got something as cool as a second, mini Earth at your control, I highly doubt you'd just leave it all of a sudden."
The control may be exerting too much of his power, and he may want to provide us with free will and see where it goes. Who knows, he may have multiple dimensions and alternative universes to oversee. And he may not want to reveal himself should it influence the world to develop in the wrong direction. Or maybe, creating the universes sapped his energies and made him fall into a coma/stasis. Or he is in some other galaxy, making way towards us at a terribly slow speed. There are multiple possibilities like this, and an agnostic is open to them, in case they ever prove to be true.
Did you read the Transformers comics, in which they believed God was Primus, who became the core of Cybertron? What if the inner core of the Earth is a form of God? After all, the temperature differences between the crust and core is appalling. Although distance plays a factor, it is still an extraordinary phenomenon.
Atheism marks a big cross on the possibility of God. It is the belief that God doesn't exist. I think that there isn't enough evidence or knowledge about God to reach to a conclusion that ties up, therefore I support agnosticism.
LuckyGoHappy

Con

LuckyGoHappy forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
lord_megatron

Pro

If we eliminate the possibility of God, the question of who made the universe will remain a question. Atheists may say the universe created itself, but it is not a satisfactory explanation. So, vote for me.
LuckyGoHappy

Con

LuckyGoHappy forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
the moving lips of non existence
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Anyway..I do not exist = saying.I do not exist can not be thought in its consequence..
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
"Saying and thinking" is not the point of my comment...
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
you have to think it to say it.. poor damn fool
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Hi ...yes anything can be said...Most things can be thought..
Posted by ReasonFirst 1 year ago
ReasonFirst
Since you made the claim i would like to hear your explanation

How would this god create itself?
What is this self created god made of?
What evidence do you have of this god?
Why would god be able to create itself but not the universe?
Why do you believe in god at all?
What has god physically done for you that cant be described by science?
What proof would it take to completely change your mind on religion all together?
If that proof were shown would you stop believing?
Why do you believe in your faith but not any others?
What evidence do you have that your belief is right at not any others?
(Faith is not evidence BTW)
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Vote Placed by fire_wings 1 year ago
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Vote Placed by Wylted 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Full forfeit