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kennykenkenken
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All drugs should be Legalized

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Started: 4/28/2016 Category: Society
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Badplum25

Pro

Alright, in this debate whoever chooses to combat my belief will need to believe that not all drugs should be legalized and Id prefer someone who strongly thinks that the current drug policy's are fair. No personal attacks are allowed and you can only attack my position in this debate. For example you cannot call me a "drug addict" since this is not an attack on my stance in the argument. This is my first debate on the website so...hopefully I do well. I've set the maximum argument size to 6000. When you obtain information on your stance please make sure to cite your source.

This shall be the format in use:
1. The instigator laying down rules
1. The contender acknowledgement and consent to the rules. The contender must also breifly explain WHAT they believe but not why.
2. My argument
2. Your rebuttal and counterargument.
3. My rebuttal and counterargument
3. Your rebuttal and counterargument
4. Summary
4. Summary

By accepting to debate me you will follow the rules listed above.
kennykenkenken

Con

I acknowlege and consent to your rules.

I believe that drugs should not be legalized except for certain drugs and under careful government regulation.
Debate Round No. 1
Badplum25

Pro

Thank you for your cooperation. :)

Okay. One country that will be mentioned frequently by me is Portugal. Portugal decriminalized the use of all drugs in 2001. I understand that decriminalizing is not the same as making something legal, however, these two things are very similar once you examine the definitions.

Definitions of words used:

Freedom - the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
"we do have some freedom of choice"

Decriminalize - cease by legislation to treat (something) as illegal.
"a battle to decriminalize drugs"

Legalize - make (something that was previously illegal) permissible by law.

Now that that has been settled it is time for my argument. To start off for a country to be truly a free country, one must be allowed to do what they wish just as long as it does not harm anyone. If someone's decision is only harming their state of being, that is none of your concern. Of course, you could help them if you wish but if they are unwilling to except your help it would not be right to force them into doing so.

By preventing people from consuming what they wish, you are endangering the police force and potential drug addicts or users. This is simply common sense and it would be challenging if you attempted to disprove. I will be putting you into the shoes of a drug addict for my example. You are a heroin addict and your life has been ruined due to this addiction. You are forced to go onto the streets and find someone to give you Heroin. Once you find a person he brings you into a dark alleyway to make the deal. At this point you could easily be mugged by him or a stranger. There's a chance that you could be scammed and lose your money and you couldn't go to the police for help. There are many other possibility's that could happen in this scenario. Cops are endangered during drug busts since they are forced to enter the homes of drug dealers that do not wish to be caught because this would result in jail time. Overall, I think I've made my point there. Unfortunately, I am unable to post graphs so Id like you to inspect the graphs through these links provided.

https://d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net...

http://www.samefacts.com...;

https://www.transcend.org...


http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com...


http://www.tdpf.org.uk...

http://images.mic.com...

http://images.mic.com...



The bottom two graphs are for Portugal not everywhere.

To summarize my current stance, Id like to make sure everyone understands that I believe there should still be slight regulations similar to those of alcohol. Also, making these substances legal does not mean it is a good idea to use them. Cigarettes for example are a legal substance and it is widely known that the health effects are mostly negative. I am eager to read your opinion. :)

Where I obtained my information (more graphs can be obtained through these links):
http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com...
http://mic.com...
http://www.tdpf.org.uk...
https://www.transcend.org...
http://www.theburningplatform.com...
http://www.samefacts.com...
kennykenkenken

Con

I think that even though america is a free nation, I believe that some things must be regulated.

I will take a similar but more extreme thing as an example.
Taking hard drugs that many people will take such as heroin or cocaine will be comparable to suicide.
The definition of suicide is:
"the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally."
While drug use is not necessarily suicide, it is comparable to such because eventually, drugs will kill you weather it be lung cancer or overdose.

My point in making this is that the United States has legalized suicide, but not legalized assisted suicide, so in doing this the United States will contradict its own laws.

Thank you
Debate Round No. 2
Badplum25

Pro

Thank you for your response, I will now begin to address the issues with your statements.


"Taking hard drugs that many people will take such as heroin or cocaine will be comparable to suicide."


Although this may be true, that does not mean it should be illegal. As a matter of fact, taking these drugs does not guarantee that your life will be demolished even though it is likely. Nicotine and Alcoholic substances are currently legal in many nations across the globe and you can over dose while consuming alcohol. When consuming nicotine some evidence suggests that your brain will end up requiring this substance to function efficiently (addiction). Not to mention, according to the definition you presented, this is NOT suicide because you are not intentionally taking your life when consuming drugs. Non the less, this is not a reason as to why some drugs should be illegal. I don't understand how it could be.

"While drug use is not necessarily suicide, it is comparable to such because eventually, drugs will kill you weather it be lung cancer or overdose."

This is not suicide and it does not matter if it is comparable to suicide. Accidentally killing yourself is NOT the equivalent of purposely killing yourself (suicide). Not to mention, the use of drugs does not cause lung cancer unless they are smoked. With this logic cigarettes should also be illegal and currently they are not. I am unsure what to state in order to combat this because it is not a realistic reason to make "some drugs" illegal and other drugs legal.


"My point in making this is that the United States has legalized suicide, but not legalized assisted suicide, so in doing this the United States will contradict its own laws."
The legalization of assisted suicide and suicide has absolutely nothing to with drug use and you have not provided any sufficient reason as to why these two things are related to drug use. People can overdose on drugs that have been legalized for medical purposes and in doing so would not make you a criminal, even if it did, that would have nothing to do with this debate. It is also not considered assisted suicide. Who would be considered responsible for this assisted suicide? The drug that did it? Would the drug be sent to prison for killing someone? Haha
kennykenkenken

Con

The assisted suicide will be done by the drug dealers. (duh)

Now I will begin to consider the morality of these issues.

I would like you to consider the point you made in your first argument about the dangers of busting drug dealers.
Unless the United States does not pose a tax on drugs like we did on tobacco, the illegal drug dealers will still have the power they used to because they still sell for the same, cheaper prices.

Secondly, the legalization of drugs would hurt the generation of kids. Children who are born after the legalization would be more exposed to drugs, and therefore more people would be addicted. Even if the children do not try drugs, studies have shown that drug use during pregnancy can lead to a decreased school results and unemployment when they grow up, which would cost the government money.

My last point would be that many drug users would eventually go to the government for help when they have diseases such as psychoses or lung cancer (which would be caused by smoking, but many drugs are smoked).
Debate Round No. 3
Badplum25

Pro

Thank you for clarifying who would be punished for the assisted suicide, although, this did not change anything I have posted about how that reasoning was illogical. I also noticed that for round 3 you did not attack my position for most of your argument, you added to your argument from round two.

Now it is time for my summary. For this I shall be defending my position which has been stated in round 2 and I will wrap up.

"Unless the United States does not pose a tax on drugs like we did on tobacco, the illegal drug dealers will still have the power they used to because they still sell for the same, cheaper prices."

I unfortunately could not comprehend what you stated in this sentence. It appears to me you were attempting to say that without regulation for these drugs people could sell for the same price if not cheaper. I do not however see how this is an issue because you failed to explain how it would be.

"Secondly, the legalization of drugs would hurt the generation of kids. Children who are born after the legalization would be more exposed to drugs, and therefore more people would be addicted."

This is not attacking my factual evidence from round two, you have added to your argument from round two. Because of this I will instead attack this statement. You have stated that more people would be addicted to drugs if they were legalized which is incorrect as shown in the I graph provided from round two which examined drug use in Portugal after the legalization. Children are also already exposed to drugs since they are a large part of crime. This is also not nessicarilly a bad thing, sometimes being exposed to certain things is a good thing so that you will be ready for the real world which is harsher than it appears as a child.

"Even if the children do not try drugs, studies have shown that drug use during pregnancy can lead to a decreased school results and unemployment when they grow up, which would cost the government money."

You failed to provide the studies for that research but in this case I shall assume this is correct (and it most likely is). This does not combat the fact that the legalization of drug use would not increase drug use according to the graph I provided in round 2 that examined drug use in Portugal after the decriminalization of all drugs. These events are occurring currently and as of now drug use is still illegal. Overall making something illegal would not fix it. This disproves your statement.

"many drug users would eventually go to the government for help when they have diseases such as psychoses or lung cancer"

How do you know? Where is your proof of this? I have already explained that the legalization of drug use would not increase the use of drugs and even if it did, there would be a very slight increase. Drug users already have the ability to do this and I don't really understand the meaning of this statement either. Psychoses is also not a disease, it is a mental disorder. Psychoses due to hallucinogens is also only temporary. ( More on psychoses can be found on this website http://www.healthline.com... )

Thank you for debating me, I have always wanted to debate this and I have learned a lot about this subject by doing so. Good luck!
kennykenkenken

Con

I got nothing other than that I think drugs are wrong :) good job!
Debate Round No. 4
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