The Instigator
DucoNihilum
Pro (for)
Winning
34 Points
The Contender
guitaristofra
Con (against)
Losing
12 Points

All drugs should be legal to sell, produce, distribute, and to be consumed by consenting adults.

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Vote Here
Pro Tied Con
Who did you agree with before the debate?
Who did you agree with after the debate?
Who had better conduct?
Who had better spelling and grammar?
Who made more convincing arguments?
Who used the most reliable sources?
Reasons for your voting decision
1,000 Characters Remaining
The voting period for this debate does not end.
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/26/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,136 times Debate No: 2957
Debate Rounds (4)
Comments (3)
Votes (14)

 

DucoNihilum

Pro

I support the legalization of all drugs, (Or for them to be legal) be it Cannabis, Alcohol, Heroin, Cocaine, Vicodin, ETC ETC
guitaristofra

Con

I disagree. In fact, I think that all drugs should be illegal, except for prescription drugs/drugs used by hospitals to treat patients.
Debate Round No. 1
DucoNihilum

Pro

Liberty is a very important part of the founding of our nation and our nation altogether. A very important part of this Liberty is the idea of negative liberty. The notion that a man is free to do as he pleases unless he is harming somebody else. Another important necessity in America is the notion of private property rights. Private property is essential for a free and productive society. The most absolute ownership you can have is ownership over yourself. In order to own yourself, you must be able to do what you please to your own body. Be that use drugs, or kill yourself, ownership of your life is very important for the liberty of a free state.

Your justification for a ban on all drugs might be that they are harmful to the users of the drugs. People are often involved in many possibly harmful activities. Some people enjoy skydiving, some people enjoy eating, some people enjoy smoking cigarettes and some people enjoy drinking alcohol. Would you suggest we ban skydiving, computers, alcohol, cigarettes, eating unhealthy foods, and other things that might be harmful to others simply because you disagree with their lifestyle? Should people not have control over their lives and not have to ask permission from you or the government to do something that you or the government might consider risky? Do you personally engage in any behavior besides what might go on in your typical day? Sure, drugs can be harmful to the people who use them- but so can many other things. The key to this is that people own their lives, and thusly must make decision for themselves- 'is skydiving worse the risk?', 'Is smoking worth the risk', or 'Is eating this pizza worth the risk?'- and that these decisions are not the governments to make.

You might argue that drugs are harmful to other people. Drugs are not harmful to other people, drugs do not cause crime- people do. People who commit crimes on drugs do not do them so much because they are on drugs, but because they are criminally minded people. Furthermore, even if they are doing it largely due to drug motivations (such as meth, for example, which some people might commit crimes for meth money) it is STILL the person committing the crime. It is their actions that cause the crime to be committed, not the drugs. Crime is often surrounded by poverty- poor people tend to commit more violent crime than rich people, so does that mean we should arrest all poor people so that they have no chance of committing crime, arrest them for thoughtcrime.... or should we let them make their own choices? Should we let them decide for themselves if they will actually commit the crime, and then punish them if they commit the crime- or should we punish them regardless, blanketly?

Not all drugs are even harmful. For example, cannabis is a drug which has very few negative side effects, is hardly associated with crime and simply alters some of your perception. Many people have tried it, in fact the majority of adult Americans have tried it at some point in their lives. They are not killing people, they're generally normal people. While there may be some social issues with some users, that can again come with absolutely any love or hobby. Saying that cannabis might be a gateway drug is confusing cause and effect, sure people who did hard drugs might have done cannabis, but that does not mean cannabis use causes the use of hard drugs. Using that argument, you could argue that water, oxygen, or the color red are all causes of the use of hard drugs. The argument is simply fallacious.

All drugs should be legalized in the name of Liberty, in order to stand by our principles of Negative Liberty and private property rights required for any capitalist (productive, free) society. You may argue that drugs are harmful to the people who take them, however the drugs are only harmful to the people who take them because they make their own choices on the matter. In fact, not all drugs are harmful- cannabis is less harmful than many legal drugs today, like Alcohol or Tobacco. You could make the argument that drugs cause harm to others, however that would be incorrect as well- as people make their own choices on whether or not to harm others. It is hypocritical to throw drug users in jail while not throwing other, perhaps just as risky people in jail, such as mountain climbers, computer users, the poor, the black, or skydivers.
guitaristofra

Con

guitaristofra forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
DucoNihilum

Pro

This is disappointing- my opponent forfeited the round to me. Almost half of the debates I get into end up going down to a forfeit...
guitaristofra

Con

guitaristofra forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
DucoNihilum

Pro

This is rather unfortunate. This is one of many times that an opponent has forfeited an interesting debate. I think it's clear I won this one.
guitaristofra

Con

guitaristofra forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
3 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 3 records.
Posted by blond_guy 8 years ago
blond_guy
qwarkinator, your comment sounds a lot like one argument in my debate on drug legalization. You're completely right, the prohibition of drugs is only putting money into gangsters' pockets and increasing prostitution.
Posted by qwarkinator 8 years ago
qwarkinator
I agree with you here but for different reasons. I do not think you can tell anyone what they can do and cannot do. In addtion making drugs illegal is hardly a reason not to do drugs. I know quite few people who do and the rules do not stop them. Also i think it would reduce organized crime to degree, I do not know how much because it has not been done but I think it would.
Posted by Kleptin 8 years ago
Kleptin
This is a clear win for Pro. It's too bad, it could have been a good debate. I'll have to vote Pro even though I agree with the Con position.
14 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Vote Placed by mongo8001 6 years ago
mongo8001
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:70 
Vote Placed by liberalconservative 8 years ago
liberalconservative
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Vote Placed by guitaristofra 8 years ago
guitaristofra
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Vote Placed by Korezaan 8 years ago
Korezaan
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by blond_guy 8 years ago
blond_guy
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by jmanstar 8 years ago
jmanstar
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by PreacherFred 8 years ago
PreacherFred
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by birdpiercefan3334 8 years ago
birdpiercefan3334
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Vote Placed by claypigeon 8 years ago
claypigeon
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
DucoNihilumguitaristofraTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03