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candice
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Jlconservative
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All first time parents should be required to take a safety class for the emergency care of infant

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/14/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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candice

Pro

Why not give first time parents the knowledge they SHOULD have, upon bringing home they're new babies? You can't fix a problem you don't have any idea about fixing. What if your baby starts choking? Get's burned? Or has a seizure? First time parents need to take a course giving them knowledgeable and up to date first aid techniques, and safety information on how to handle emergency situations. This is a simple remedy to help babies that would otherwise be mishandled not because of lack of care, but lack of education. Why not sit through a couple of hours for the safety of your new offspring? It's responsible, already recommended, and wouldn't hurt anything.
Jlconservative

Con

Candice are you on another insane tyrant??

1st. "Why not give first time parents the knowledge they SHOULD have, upon bringing home they're new babies? You can't fix a problem you don't have any idea about fixing."

- As far as I am concerned anyone who is even considering producing offspring should make sure that this information is already known.

2nd. "First time parents need to take a course giving them knowledgeable and up to date first aid techniques, and safety information on how to handle emergency situations."

- Sure, there already are many courses you can choose to take.

http://pregnancy.about.com...

http://www.mayoclinic.com...

http://sonce1.nursing.sunysb.edu...

http://www.babycenter.com...

3rd. "Why not sit through a couple of hours for the safety of your new offspring? It's responsible, already recommended, and wouldn't hurt anything."

- Your 100% correct it should be recommended and responsible parents who are un-factuated about the topic probably should take a course or something to that extent.

However, I am afraid that you made a vital mistake, "All first time parents should be required to take a safety class" I don't think so to me this is a wolf in sheep's clothing. This would be something you see in China or Russia not the United States of America. This would be infringing on citizen privacy. The last group of people on this planet who need to be telling American citizens to mandate something like a baby course would be the government. Government needs to stay out of American homes.

I put my trust in the smart American women to figure out what they need to do with their child not government officials.
Debate Round No. 1
candice

Pro

How is insuring the safety of infants insane, Steve? I agree that all people should be educated about these things before they have a baby. Although, there are many people who simply do not take the time. What is wrong with insuring that they do?

You making a point about classes already being available does not in any way disprove my point of every parent needing to take one.

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Laws are everywhere, Steve. People aren't allowed to abuse they're children. Why? Because of laws, put in place by our government. Why? For the safety of our citizens. Laws are there, to protect people. What better enforcement, than a law that secures safety? There's no privacy needed! You don't know how to handle an emergency? Fix it! Don't be embarrassed, get educated. Get informed.

Also Steve, I wouldn't consider EVERY American woman smart. There are some IDIOTS that have offspring. Shouldn't those babies be given every little chance of health and happiness possible?
Jlconservative

Con

"How is insuring the safety of infants insane, Steve? I agree that all people should be educated about these things before they have a baby. Although, there are many people who simply do not take the time. What is wrong with insuring that they do?"

- Look Candice your killing freedom that is why, your argument is not that allot of first time parents are inadequate to raise children. It is that "All first time parents should be REQUIRED"

When you say that I see a program that my tax dollars have to go to, where women are forced to go take this class. If they fail to attend they receive a fine or at worst get children taken away because they did not go to a stupid government program teaching parents how to raise their kids.

"You making a point about classes already being available does not in any way disprove my point of every parent needing to take one."

- Of course not, but it dose show that the courses are out there and that women who have children can decide for themselves if they need a course or not. It's not up to government it's up to the people.

"Laws are everywhere, Steve. People aren't allowed to abuse they're children. Why? Because of laws, put in place by our government."

- This is your problem my friend, you have it in your head that the reason the majority of people do not murder or steal or rape is because government says it's bad. This is not the case the reason these things are looked down upon is because they are morally wrong not because government says they are bad.

"Laws are there, to protect people. What better enforcement, than a law that secures safety? There's no privacy needed! You don't know how to handle an emergency? Fix it! Don't be embarrassed, get educated. Get informed."

- Of course you can paint the picture that way, but it dose not fit into personal freedom. Why should the government be able to decide if a parent is capable or not?? It is not up to them!! the classes are there the people must make their own minds up, we are not sheep Candice that need to rely on big daddy government to hold our hands. The American people have brains.

"Also Steve, I wouldn't consider EVERY American woman smart."

- Of course not look at Hillary Clinton supporters.
Debate Round No. 2
candice

Pro

<<- Look Candice your killing freedom that is why, your argument is not that allot of first time parents are inadequate to raise children. It is that "All first time parents should be REQUIRED">>

So, are you insinuating that children should not be given every chance of health and happiness because YOU think that the government shouldn't REQUIRE you to do anything? Sorry to tell you, but that's what our government is here for. To insure that we live life lawfully, and treat other's around us with care and respect. Why should American children not get the same respect, and insurance of safety and care?

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Your tax dollars will be going to SOMETHING, so why not some to that? Perhaps we could tax cigarette's more so idiot's that smoke could pay for it. This will not be a parenting class, it will a first aid, and safety class. Things that ALL parents need, and should definitely be equipped with.

<<- This is your problem my friend, you have it in your head that the reason the majority of people do not murder or steal or rape is because government says it's bad. This is not the case the reason these things are looked down upon is because they are morally wrong not because government says they are bad.>>

I guarantee you 100% that if you legalized murder, murder rates would go up.Same of rape, same for burglary. I also guarantee you 100%, that if you made it mandatory to go to a safety class, that the survival of infants and toddlers involved in an emergency accident, or medical emergency would go up. Isn't that worth your tax dollars? More babies being safe and secure, that's worth the world!

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It might annoy those who must go to this class. Although, when an emergency happens and they know what to do… it will be worth millions. Those two hours could change your whole life. If you loose your baby, and latter find that if you knew how to handle the emergency they would otherwise be alive, it would crush you. Two hours and it can make or break your whole world. Accident's WILL happen. Some big, some small. Why not equip this country with the knowledge we SHOULD have to insure our offspring safe lives. Your right, American's do have brains. Some people aren't equiped with up to date safety techniques. The "big daddy government" wouldn't be holding your hand, it would be holding the hand of the innocent infants that cannot ask they're parents to please know what to do if they have a seizure, or stop breathing.

<<- Of course not look at Hillary Clinton supporters.>>

Insulting Hillary Clinton supporters doesn't help your case, Steve. Grow up.

This safety class wouldn't infringe on American's personally freedom. We would be empowering all parents to be strong, and educated on how to make all of our children safe and secure. Whatever my opponent says about personal freedom is just a ploy. Yes, or Government shouldn't tell us what to do in all aspects of our life. We can make our own parenting decisions. How does insuring the safety of these children take away freedom? How does giving a mother and father information they might HAVE to use about third degree burns on an infant hurt our freedom? What you do in an emergency is important. You could either do something that hurts, or helps. Why not make sure that we all have the information and knowledge to help.

America is a great Nation. Why not make sure we all have the fundamentals on child safety. It's a small and easy step that we all NEED to take. This will make sure that those who wouldn't otherwise would get important safety techniques to help they're babies. Would you want to not pass a bill that would save babies lives because of a threat that it would invade privacy? There would be nothing but good from this program. The government doesn't make you raise your family a certain way, and they shouldn't. All this would do was insure that babies get all the chance they need to live healthy, and safely. Protecting the rights of children that deserve to live healthy, happy, and safely. That is the purpose of our Government. To protect the rights of ALL.
Jlconservative

Con

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by theonewhoknows43 8 years ago
theonewhoknows43
This debate is basically a rant by Candice. She is 23 years old, still too young to know the ways of the world. It would be another infringement on citizen rights to make this course mandatory. It would require lots of funding. Who would pay for it? It would require more classes for follow-up training. If you teach just once at the child's birth, what will happen when the parents forget the training when they need it 17 years later? All medical course in first-aid require people to take the course again in 2 to 4 years. What about second time parents? You are assuming that they have concurrent skills for the second or third or fourth child.

I smell a law suit! what about liability? If a hospital is to give courses to parents on first-aid and then a child dies because their parents did not give the correct procedure. I am sure someone will sue the hospital for not training the parent well enough to have saved the life. As long as there are deep pockets there will be lawsuits.
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
And you think you are smart? You are 14 you haven't got a clue (no offense)
Posted by blond_guy 9 years ago
blond_guy
Sadolite, that's the smartest comment I've seen from you, I totally agree. (no offense)
Posted by Kleptin 9 years ago
Kleptin
I'm voting Pro purely because of the Con drop. Pro's last round argument was too strong to be dismissed. Con did so. It hurt him badly.

However, I personally disagree with Pro's position because it is a huge slippery slope.
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
You should have to get a license to have a child!! In my years I have seen some of the worst parenting skills known to man, I feel so sorry for the kids of those parents, they have next to no hope of succeeding in life by watching and learning what their looser parents do.
Posted by Johnicle 9 years ago
Johnicle
I voted pro for two reasons.

1) Con drops round three.
There were important arguments that needed to be argued and you dropped them.

2) Pro wins in his last speech.
Everything that I needed to hear, I heard in Pro's last speech... it was brilliant. The speech was so good, that since Con did not argue it, I vote Pro.

Thanks for this great round!
Posted by smith76 9 years ago
smith76
Yet again, we see those people who wish their principles and standards on others through the government. Who will pay for these courses? What if the people cant afford them? What if the mother works and doesnt have time to take them? When will the child proofing of society by liberals and the government at the expense of personal liberties and tax payer funds stop?
Posted by candice 9 years ago
candice
I enjoyed this debate a lot... Thanks for reading it!
Posted by candice 9 years ago
candice
There was to many letters in my title of the debate... so, s. :)
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