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All parents should be legally required to take parenting class before having a child

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Started: 1/15/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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gooba

Pro

The tax-funded, 1 semester class will offer courses on taking care of a baby (e.g. burping, changing a diaper, feeding) discipline (the techniques seen on Jo Frosts TV program Supernanny), managing stress to prevent child abuse, how to recognize and prevent sexual abuse and parenting teenagers (e.g. discipline). They will get training on internet predators. There are many benefits to it including:

- Parenting classes will prepare parents better and might improve parenting skills.
- Parenting classes will teach parents to manage stress, and what do when they are at the "breaking point," thus preventing child abuse.
- Parents taking this class will learn how to discipline teenagers, thus reducing teen pregnancy, drug and alcohol use, violence, bullying, sexting and many other issues facing teens.
- Teens often face negative peer pressure to do risky things. If their parents parented, other teens won't imitate them. Now parents won't have to worry about their teen.
- Many parents don't discipline properly. This has negative effects on the child and society. Parenting classes will give them the skills they need to discipline.
- Many parents allow their child or teenager to use internet in their bedrooms, and not in an open area where everyone can walk by and look. This can result in the child having contact with internet predators, cyber bullying, posting inappropriate pictures of on self, looking at porn, etc. There is no good reason for a child or teen to have internet in their bedrooms. The parenting class will give parents advice on internet safety (internet devices are to be used in a family area when parents are home, parental controls including blocking, monitoring and time limits installed, parent or adult check regularly).
- Many parents struggle with parenting teenagers. Parenting classes will give them they skills they need to gain control and set limits for their teen.
Kumquatodor

Con

Hello!

Let's go through this point-by-point.

- Parenting classes will prepare parents better and might improve parenting skills.
>This is a good point. I will let concede that classes might improve parenting skills.

- Parenting classes will teach parents to manage stress, and what do when they are at the "breaking point," thus preventing child abuse.
>I am very interested what your idea of child abuse is.
>Surely occassionally yelling is not considered child abuse. A normal parent would apologize for that and work to hold any temper. My parents occassionally reached "the breaking point" and thus yelled, but I would hardly say that they were abusive. If you mean to imply things like hitting, shoving, intense berating, then these people will not be fixed by simple parenting classes.

- Parents taking this class will learn how to discipline teenagers, thus reducing teen pregnancy, drug and alcohol use, violence, bullying, sexting and many other issues facing teens.
>What exactly is your definition of disipling is.
>Do you mean how to curtail bad behavior, or do you mean upbringing in general?
>Does discipline take an entire class?
>What about educating kids on the dangers of unprotected sex, drug use, violence, bullying, sexting, etc.?

- Teens often face negative peer pressure to do risky things. If their parents parented, other teens won't imitate them. Now parents won't have to worry about their teen.
>Surely parents cannot stop children from doing risking behavior all the time.
>What about educating kids about risks? Surely this wouldn't take an entire class.

- Many parents don't discipline properly. This has negative effects on the child and society. Parenting classes will give them the skills they need to discipline.
Again, what do you mean by discipline?

- Many parents allow their child or teenager to use internet in their bedrooms, and not in an open area where everyone can walk by and look. This can result in the child having contact with internet predators, cyber bullying, posting inappropriate pictures of on self, looking at porn, etc. There is no good reason for a child or teen to have internet in their bedrooms. The parenting class will give parents advice on internet safety (internet devices are to be used in a family area when parents are home, parental controls including blocking, monitoring and time limits installed, parent or adult check regularly).
Really, this is so wrong I'll have to go by point-by-point.
>And you would need an entire class to teach parents not to do this? Surely, a builboard would suffice!
>Why not educate kids about the dangers of Internet?
>Why not educate kids about predators?
>Why not teach kids to be respectful?
>Why not teach thee kids the risk of posting inapproapriate pictures?
>Why not teach kids about the moral wrong of pornography?
> Why not trust your kid? Are you really so high-and-mighty that you must go on a crusade to protect children from every thing?


Why mandatory parenting classes are a stupid idea:


>Where will we get the money (or the space) to educate millions of Americans?
>What about the adults who have full-time jobs?
>What exactly do we teach them? Do we teach them about spanking, or is that morally wrong? Do we teach them to raise them by godly standards, or is that morally wrong? How far do we go at tolerating different styles of parenting?
>What would make parents follow the rules?
>What would be the penalty for failing to show up? Are you going to imprison a pregnant woman and force her baby to an adoption home?
Debate Round No. 1
gooba

Pro

1. I am very interested what your idea of child abuse is.
Physical abuse that can be reported to the states Child Protective Services (CPS).

2. Surely occasionally yelling is not considered child abuse.
It isn't child abuse. The breaking point is when someone is close to abusing their child, defined at #1. Parenting classes will teach parents more constructive form of discipline thus preventing yelling.

3. What exactly is your definition of disciplining.
Punishments, warnings, and setting rules/ boundaries.

4. What about educating kids on the dangers of unprotected sex, drug use, violence, bullying, sexting, etc.?
Parenting classes will teach them that.

5. Surely parents cannot stop children from doing risking behavior all the time.
But parenting classes will mean greater chances of parents parenting and less teen risks. Those AT&T texting while driving campaigns will not texting while driving all the time, but do help.

6. Why not educate kids about the dangers of internet?
Parenting classes do teach parents how to educate kids about the dangers of internet. But educating kids isn't enough because they can still do risky things so to have less chances of something bad happening that is related to the internet parents must, in addition to educating their kids about the dangers of internet:
- Keep the computer in an open area with the screens visible to everyone, where anyone can walk by and look
- Install parental controls that include recording computer activity, time limits, blocking sites that prevent children and teens from accessing inappropriate things. If teens know their computer activity is recorded and people can walk by and see, they will be less likely to engage in risky or inappropriate activity.
- Monitor and check the computers regularly (and DO SOMETHING if you see any risky or inappropriate activity).
- Know all passwords to social networking sites and regularly monitor social networking sites
- Install monitoring, blocking and time limits for cell phones like RADAR My Mobile Watchdog
http://www.mymobilewatchdog.com...
Dr. Phil indorsed this product after 12 year old girl named Kyra Schraiber met an internet predator on her cell phone and was raped by him.



Then 13 year old Alicia Kozakiewicz ran away to meet an internet predator who abducted her. None of this would have happened if her parents had been monitoring her. Her mom was totally clueless of the dangers of the internet. With mandatory parenting classes, parents won't be clueless anymore.


These girls could have been KILLED by these internet predators.

Children have killed themselves due to cyber bullying, including
Megan Meier
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Phoebe Prince
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Ryan Halligan
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Kristina Calco
http://www.theshabbycastle.com...
Brandon Swartwood
http://www.jaredstory.com...

http://digits.newsvine.com...

If their parents were educating them and monitoring their internet use, and did something when their child is bullying, the suicide would have never happened.

7. What would make parents follow the rules?
Taking away their children if they don't.
Kumquatodor

Con

It isn't child abuse. The breaking point is when someone is close to abusing their child, defined at #1. Parenting classes will teach parents more constructive form of discipline thus preventing yelling.
But surely child-abusers cannot be fixed with simple classes.

Punishments, warnings, and setting rules/ boundaries.
And an entire class is needed?

Parenting classes will teach them that.
>Parents don't need a class to tell them this. A bumper-sticker would suffice.
>Schools also play a part. Why not increase funding for sex-ed and anti-bullying classes.

Then 13 year old Alicia Kozakiewicz ran away to meet an internet predator who abducted her. None of this would have happened if her parents had been monitoring her. Her mom was totally clueless of the dangers of the internet. With mandatory parenting classes, parents won't be clueless anymore
>If she was "clueless", then, quite frankly, she was a moron.
>A class isn't needed to teach parents; television advertisements would suffice.

Keep the computer in an open area with the screens visible to everyone, where anyone can walk by and look
- Install parental controls that include recording computer activity, time limits, blocking sites that prevent children and teens from accessing inappropriate things. If teens know their computer activity is recorded and people can walk by and see, they will be less likely to engage in risky or inappropriate activity.
- Monitor and check the computers regularly (and DO SOMETHING if you see any risky or inappropriate activity).
- Know all passwords to social networking sites and regularly monitor social networking sites
- Install monitoring, blocking and time limits for cell phones like RADAR My Mobile Watchdog
http://www.mymobilewatchdog.com......
Dr. Phil indorsed this product after 12 year old girl named Kyra Schraiber met an internet predator on her cell phone and was raped by him.
>I'm not saying that parents shouldn't do those things, but for Celestia's sake, that's paranoid!
>Why not trust a child after giving them the information that Internet is deadly? How many kids were kidnapped due to risky behavior?

Taking away their children if they don't.
>Good luck trying to store 20,000,000+ children of various needs, ages, opinions, and backgrounds!
>Who's rules? My parents? Yours? Obama's? Joe Smith?

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>You still have not answered my question about those parents with full-time jobs.
>You still have not told me where we'ld get the money or the space to educate adults.
Debate Round No. 2
gooba

Pro

1. But surely child-abusers cannot be fixed with simple classes.
If they can't, that's what social services is for.

2. And an entire class is needed?
Punishments, warnings, and setting rules/ boundaries will be more likely to happen if parents took classes.

3. Parents don't need a class to tell them this. A bumper-sticker would suffice.
How do we know if parents are paying attention to these things? Alternatively, we can have parents taking an assessment before becoming parents.

4. Schools also play a part. Why not increase funding for sex-ed and anti-bullying classes.
Schools also (in addition to mandatory parenting classes) will be held accountable.

5. If she was "clueless", then, quite frankly, she was a moron.
If she took parenting classes, she would be less likely to be clueless.

6. I'm not saying that parents shouldn't do those things, but for Celestia's sake, that's paranoid!
It's not paranoid. It's called protection.

7. Why not trust a child after giving them the information that Internet is deadly? How many kids were kidnapped due to risky behavior?
Not all the time they listen.

8. Good luck trying to store 20,000,000+ children of various needs, ages, opinions, and backgrounds!
Just simply take the classes and you'll have no problems.

9. Who's rules? My parents? Yours? Obama's? Joe Smith?
The rules that the parenting class teaches.

10. You still have not answered my question about those parents with full-time jobs.
Just like you can take off work for jury duty, you can take off work for parenting classes.

11. You still have not told me where we would get the money or the space to educate adults.
Where did we get space and money for the public school system? The same way we get space and tax dollars to educate parents.
Kumquatodor

Con

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