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cbreton
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ortiz96
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All prisoners have the right to visits from the outside under the 8th amendment

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Started: 12/11/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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cbreton

Con

The 8th amendment stipulates no cruel or unusual punishment and no excessive bail, denying prisoners visiting rights does not violate either of the aspects of this amendment .
ortiz96

Pro

by taking away prison visits the prisoner is not punished as much as their family which can at times include young children
Debate Round No. 1
cbreton

Con

While denying a prisoner visits does affect their family as well, I would still argue that it has a more direct impact on the prisoner. The family, on the outside, still has friends and family that they can see as they wish. The family is only being denied the right to visit one person, while the prisoner is being denied the right to see anyone besides his lawyer.

Now, the Bill of Rights Institute quotes the 8th amendment which mandates, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." By denying a prisoner visiting rights the 8th amendment is not violated.
ortiz96

Pro

the 8th amendment discusses no unusual punishment taking away visits from the outside denies family members the chance to see their loved ones and by seeing their loved through bullet proof glass should actually help a prisoner realize how much they have done wrong. They can hardly stand face to face with their family this
might also have a positive affect on their behavior in prison and out
Debate Round No. 2
cbreton

Con

It is not often that prisoners are denied visits from the outside and when it happens it is normally for the best, their is usually a good reason.

Again this is a policy debate not a values debate and we are arguing whether the 8th amendment allows courts to suspend a prisoners right to visits. When the founding fathers developed our constitution they strongly believed that a nation so deeply rooted in the idea of liberty should not included the inhumane punishments they knew from their past lives. The Rutherford Institute illustrates what was on their mind when the founding fathers wrote the 8th amendment, " The past, as the Founders knew it, was one shadowed by the threat of torture for any who disagreed with government policies. Torture in the form of pillorying, disemboweling, decapitation, and drawing and quartering"
ortiz96

Pro

I believe taking away someones loved ones constitutes torture. Prisoners should definately lose some rights in prison but not all of them. John Locke created the concept of natural rights or rights every person is born into regardless of any circumstance. Every person should have the opportunity to see their family no matter the crime. Seeing their family
doesn't tale them out of jail or interfere with their sentence. Family has to be involved in a persons life especially a troubled persons life if a fair justice system using natural rights is to be expressed.
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